New Product Release, AFX Stress Bars
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by teamDFL:
Any plans for a lower bar? I'd like to see one that mounts in more than two points. I have always felt that a lower bar does more than an upper.
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Not at this time for the Focus, it is something we may consider in the future.
Any plans for a lower bar? I'd like to see one that mounts in more than two points. I have always felt that a lower bar does more than an upper.
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Not at this time for the Focus, it is something we may consider in the future.
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by teamDFL:
Come on Rob, you know as well as I do what this and every other bolt on, two point stress bar does...<hr></blockquote>
If your refering to parallel lines of force, because of the 2 mounting points you are somewhat correct, but you actually have 6 mounting points. In order to rotate the structure around the mounting points, you would have to have only used on bolt on each end of the bar, in order to give a pivot point. By using 3 bolts on each end you have introduced two angles for two additional force vectors on each side. These two additional mounting points add rigidity.
Taking the mounting points in isolation also discounts the fact that you are adding more material (the bar itself) to resist compression. A steel bar is going to resist compression alot better than the air that is in the engine compartment now.
Will any stress bar eliminate chassis flex, no. Will any stress bar reduce chassic flex, yes, and that is the best anybody can hope to achieve.
Come on Rob, you know as well as I do what this and every other bolt on, two point stress bar does...<hr></blockquote>
If your refering to parallel lines of force, because of the 2 mounting points you are somewhat correct, but you actually have 6 mounting points. In order to rotate the structure around the mounting points, you would have to have only used on bolt on each end of the bar, in order to give a pivot point. By using 3 bolts on each end you have introduced two angles for two additional force vectors on each side. These two additional mounting points add rigidity.
Taking the mounting points in isolation also discounts the fact that you are adding more material (the bar itself) to resist compression. A steel bar is going to resist compression alot better than the air that is in the engine compartment now.
Will any stress bar eliminate chassis flex, no. Will any stress bar reduce chassic flex, yes, and that is the best anybody can hope to achieve.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AFX Manufacturing:
Will any stress bar eliminate chassis flex, no. Will any stress bar reduce chassic flex, yes, and that is the best anybody can hope to achieve.<hr></blockquote>
That is what Rob and I have discussed before. Most any design will help, but in order to resist all forces, the bar must triangulate. Now, I am unwilling to drill holes in my firewall, so a two pointer is all I'll get. Plus, many people mistakenly believe a strut brace will stop strut towers from bending in. It won't. Place the end of any bar against the foundation of yoour home and push against it with all your weight. You can feel it bow. Yes, the steel of your bar resist compression, but since the force will not be perfectly parallel to the bar, this is not really a huge issue. That is why an aluminium bar is just as good in many cases.
Fortunately, this is not the most common force encountered. Strut tower spread is far more prevelant. That force requires the straighest bar possible as the force will attempt to straighten any angles. I have quipped that linking a chain between towers can be as effective as many of the poorer designs offered. As for the forces in torsion that you mention, you are correct about widening the mounting plate.
I like your answer. It is a pity that you have no plans for a lower brace as your components seem top quality (I have an AFX UDP) and fairly priced. Plus, since you use steel, it is much easier for me to weld little add on brackets to hold down other things under hood.
Will any stress bar eliminate chassis flex, no. Will any stress bar reduce chassic flex, yes, and that is the best anybody can hope to achieve.<hr></blockquote>
That is what Rob and I have discussed before. Most any design will help, but in order to resist all forces, the bar must triangulate. Now, I am unwilling to drill holes in my firewall, so a two pointer is all I'll get. Plus, many people mistakenly believe a strut brace will stop strut towers from bending in. It won't. Place the end of any bar against the foundation of yoour home and push against it with all your weight. You can feel it bow. Yes, the steel of your bar resist compression, but since the force will not be perfectly parallel to the bar, this is not really a huge issue. That is why an aluminium bar is just as good in many cases.
Fortunately, this is not the most common force encountered. Strut tower spread is far more prevelant. That force requires the straighest bar possible as the force will attempt to straighten any angles. I have quipped that linking a chain between towers can be as effective as many of the poorer designs offered. As for the forces in torsion that you mention, you are correct about widening the mounting plate.
I like your answer. It is a pity that you have no plans for a lower brace as your components seem top quality (I have an AFX UDP) and fairly priced. Plus, since you use steel, it is much easier for me to weld little add on brackets to hold down other things under hood.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Come on Rob, you know as well as I do what this and every other bolt on, two point stress bar does... <hr></blockquote>
I know, but I keep on hoping that somebody designs a chassis brace by first determining a real need, and then setting out to make a real improvement over stock. Not just doing it "just because."
I know, but I keep on hoping that somebody designs a chassis brace by first determining a real need, and then setting out to make a real improvement over stock. Not just doing it "just because."
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C'mon Rob, you know strut bars look cool
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that's why I run one
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZXmurph:
I just want one that mounts *over* the hood and then I'll finally get one.......
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Don't some of the cop cars have external roll cages
I just want one that mounts *over* the hood and then I'll finally get one.......
Don't some of the cop cars have external roll cages
Now in stock at www.newedgeperformance.com
Comes in Black, Silver, Red and Dark Blue.
$78.95 plus shipping!
Tony D
Comes in Black, Silver, Red and Dark Blue.
$78.95 plus shipping!
Tony D
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by jZoXe3:
Booo!
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Sorry, I wish we could have made it work with everything.
Booo!
Sorry, I wish we could have made it work with everything.
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by djwirfel:
another question...is there any way we can see the other colors...is your blue like blue...or the baby blue like focusports??? mabie ill go with silver<hr></blockquote>
The AFX will work with the IceMan, it will be close. The blue on the AFX is a dark blue. I will have pics up soon! Silver, red and the asked for Black are also available.
Tony D
another question...is there any way we can see the other colors...is your blue like blue...or the baby blue like focusports??? mabie ill go with silver<hr></blockquote>
The AFX will work with the IceMan, it will be close. The blue on the AFX is a dark blue. I will have pics up soon! Silver, red and the asked for Black are also available.
Tony D
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