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Ollie18

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Jetters,
I really have no idea what to believ anymore.....
I asked this question several times, and talked to several people.....but I get so many different numbers.

Here it goes: What is the EXACT drop of the HR CupKit???

The numbers that I heared the most were: approx.2"; 2.75f 2.5r; 2.75"all 4 corners....So what is it?
Please only reply if you are 100% sure what the exact numbers are....Thanx a lot...Ollie
 
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its about 2.5". When i had my groundcontrols at its advertised 3" drop, it was lower than my cupkit by about 1/2". SO i say 2.5" drop, its nice, its better to just look at pics of peoples cars with the setup, do a search, i have plenty of pics out with the cup kit and my 17's. If you cant find any, tell me, i have tons
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Its a great drop for the focus, which is so damn high. Now, before you ask, NO IT NEVER BOTTOMS OUT AND I NEVER SCRAPE< and i have a low low FT front lip. Just go in and out of driveways slower and you will be just fine. The handling is awesome BTW
 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by sandmann41:
Ollie, will you just buy the damn kit already
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you will be fine, trust me<hr></blockquote>

I know I know....I just don;t want to jump into something you know......still collecting info...

Naz...thanx a lot....I appreciate your help....you got PM!!
 
#9 ·
Technically yes. You are below the optimum lowering for the car. For the best handling, stock ride height is probably best, and you certainly shouldn't go lower than 1.5" if you are competing in Autocross or something.

But most people aren't in any form of competition, and in that case, it works fine. If you're just worried about handling during spirited driving, I don't think it will do anything funny.
 
#10 ·
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silk 2.0~:
Will that much of a drop comprimise handling at all. It Just looks so good on that pic. Are those 18"s as well?<hr></blockquote>

although i don't compete, so i can't really say if it's making the handling "worse", i would say that on my everyday driving, and time-to-time spirited driving through some twisties, i'd say that it greatly improved the handling, giving it a much stiffer feel, less body roll, and quicker steering response. yes, those are 18's in the pic. 18x7 tsw hockenheim r. combined with the kit, i couldn't ask the car to handle any better.
 
#11 ·
yaya...blabla...too low too high, i dont give a damn, it looks awesome, it handles awesome, it rides awesome, period. Stop the talk about 1.5 and more is bad and whatever, our car is too ****ing high in the first place, it looks like crap at stock height, this kit makes it look awesome, i have never once bottomed out or scraped or anything. It handles amazingly and the ride is still good. Its that simple. That car looks AWESOME with those wheels and that drop. Comeone, you will never notice the difference in performance with a "PROPER" 1.2" drop and a nicer looking, 2.5" drop that the HR cup kit offers you, trust me.
 
#12 ·
it wont compromise handling because youre not just getting SMALL crappy springs to dump your ride and thats it. This kit has been designed, and works together with the matched and shortened shocks/struts, so together they work AWESOME, and handle a thousand times better than stock. I hate slopy, soft suspensions. So would the proKIT be the proper suspension? If it is, i disagree, ive driven a prokit focus drop, and its still slopy and soft. This kit is perfect and it makes the car look so much better, i cant realy even describe it

and anyways, it looks GREAT
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I rather have then than whatever edge a "proper" drop will offer me that my ass will never feel
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Personally, i just think the focus is way too tall and lifted. Just like other fords, especially ford mustang. Comeone, its a joke. Our car, stock, has like 10 feet of clearence with the ground and front bumper, i always laughed at it everytime i would check it when my focus was stock, it was crazy. Even now, with a cup kit, and a VERY VERY low front FT lip, i still clear 99% of the driveways i go through everyday. The bottom clearence on my car is now the same as my brothers 2000 civic 4 door stock, and i have the 2.7" HR cup kit
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that should answer the question of rubbing, you never will rub over speedbumps in this car

[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: nazthug ]</p>
 
#14 ·
Over 1.5", I agree would likely be too much, and even with stiff springs you'd probably sacrifice too much 'feel' and hamper the cars ability to absorb road imperfections, even if roll was reduced... but a small change such as 1/2-1" could be quite benificial, wouldn't you think? The CoG would be slightly lower, relationship between roll center and CoG not hugely affected, and with an increase in spring rate you'd still stay in your normal range of suspension movement under hard cornering when compared to softer springs at the higher ride height. So in a way, the higher spring rate would justify a small decrease in ride height. Otherwise, you'd actually be operating too HIGH in the suspension movement for a given turn, compared to what the engineers expected with the lower spring rate, no?

[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: Ducman69 ]</p>
 
#15 ·
Naz, if you can't feel the difference (and I agree, 99% of people couldn't) then that's fine. You can't argue with what I wrote, you are just wrong. For racing, to get the *ULTIMATE* handling from a car, you can't drop macpherson struts too much.

If you didn't like the way a Pro-kit car handled... what shocks did it have? I dare you to take a ride in my car with Pro-kit and Konis.

After I take you through turns 7-8-9 FLAT OUT at Gingerman, you'll understand. I can make it through those wide esses with the pedal to the floor, and WRXs can't. I reeled 'em all in.

I bet I could blindfold you, put you in a car with STOCK springs and Konis, and you'd think it handled amazing.

Your mind plays tricks on you, you're too concerned with looks.
 
#16 ·
Hey Ollie just get the H&R coilovers from me and they will only be a few more than what you can buy the Cup Kit for in the US! Look in the GB for the info. When are you coming back over again?
 
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perhaps..

ive had eibach springs, eibach race springs with konis and now the cup kit. I think if you want handling, it is mostly in the tires. My tires give out way before the suspension ever does. Theres only so much a suspension can do, the tires are what actually ride on the ground and grip. The best suspension in the world wont do much with crappy tires. What exactly makes the eibach prokits and konis for example handle better than the cupkit? ANd that is a real question from me to you, cause i would actually like to know? I can take corners damn fast too, but even my yokahama parada tires give out long before the suspension does. Theres only so fast you can go around a corner before the tires start slippin.

And yes, for the ultimate handler, i have had it and it was great. Eibach 450lb race springs on koni yellow adjustable shocks, and that was awesome, but the ride sucked. But again, going around corners, i didnt notice much of a drop with the HR cup kit, because in both situations my tires gave out before i could push it too hard, however, the koni/eibach did feel more solid and responded way faster, but those 450lb race sprigns will break your back after prolonged use
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#18 ·
Naz, the problem with the Cupkit is that it is just too low. Do a search!
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It's so low, that the control arms are past horizontal. They now slant downward to the subframe, instead of downward to the wheels.

This causes 2 problems. One is that as the body rolls, you LOSE camber. That means, that if you want to have proper camber in a corner, you have to have like -3* static camber. You of course know that doesn't work well because it wears out your tires.

The second problem is that your "roll center" for your suspension is lowered. This makes the body roll more for a given springs/swaybar stiffness.

Again, it's not something you'd likely notice much, only really experienced race drivers would. On the street, it's not a big deal. But for competition, it's not good.

And yes, tires play a huge roll in how well the car can corner, but the better the suspension is, the more you can get out of a given tire.
 
#19 ·
What about my comment on the possible benifit of small static ride height changes (not slams but something conservative) to correspond to increases in spring rate? Afterall, the actual suspension movement in a hard turn would end up being about the same.

[ 12-26-2001: Message edited by: Ducman69 ]</p>
 
#20 ·
i cant disagree with you P
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Obveously you are 100% right, its just that 99.99998% of the people that drop their car, want good looks, better handling and a decent ride. I will for one sacrifice that tad bit of an edge for a better look, as we can probably both agree that our cars just look too high. Thats something no one can argue with
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But yes, on the track, you are completely correct.
 
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