WHEELSPIN!!!! (Grrrrrrrrr!!!!)

ZXmurph · Mar 18, 2003

hmmmmmm.......yep that is another elusive compromise......camber effecting traction for both acceleration and braking....so yes, another example of too much of a good thing.

a great example of playing these combos is how much traction they are getting out of the SRT-4--- pretty fundamental tricks
- very little to zero static camber (and decent wheel rate to control it)
- a 205/50/17 tire....offering a bigger longitudinal contact patch

voila.....impressive traction for the power.

now to see what happens to that traction when they go for crazy grip and camber plates.......well, then that quaife
becomes heroine.

OmniFocus · Mar 18, 2003

One quesion: Is this any better or worse after your recent suspension mods? I can't really see how the Konis in the rear would increase the problem, but I still thought I'd ask.

I really wish I had experience with the Falkens, but if they are anything like the other tires I run, then I always do a quick little throttle on-off-on to regain grip if I've gotten too greedy on corner exit... of course that doesn't help your quest for a non-technique altering fix.

How much negative camber are you running?

MichaelXi · Mar 18, 2003

The Problem is the same to slightly better since adding the rear Koni's.
I'm sure a more-controlled/less-excited throttle-foot will help, but I want to do whatever I can to help the car help me in problem areas.
I don't have camber-kits yet, so, with the "Crash-Bolts" I'm running -1 degree. (+/- .04)

rheacer · Mar 18, 2003

Thanks Omni, That's what I've been saying, too. Am I the only lost with the reasoning of putting high zoot suspension parts on a car and then NOT putting the best rubber under it? (See Suspension section.) Michael have you thought of SP so you can get some real tires? I don't of any way to magically plant the inside wheel. Fineness is what you are looking for, I think. As far as tire pressure, if you are happy with (or concerned with) the roll over, find a pressure you are happy with on the front and raise the rear-same as increasing spring rate, stiffening- reducing understeer, which should put more weight back on the front tires at the same time..

ZXmurph · Mar 18, 2003

Originally posted by rheacer:
Thanks Omni, That's what I've been saying, too. Am I the only lost with the reasoning of putting high zoot suspension parts on a car and then NOT putting the best rubber under it? (See Suspension section.) .

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">um.....well Azenis ARE at least the best available STS tires......as their national championship and general showing in street tire classes would clearly attest. No, it's not an R, and not that close.....we all know Michael is just thinking about what might help within his current class and current set of tools

suggesting R rubber and a class change would be no different than me teasing him with my Quaife (which I would *never* do

)

[ 03-18-2003, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: ZXmurph ]

MichaelXi · Mar 19, 2003

Originally posted by ZXmurph:

suggesting R rubber and a class change would be no different than me teasing him with my Quaife (which I would *never* do

)

Eventually I'll make the jump out of STS, but I'm sure to be in STS for at LEAST the rest of this Season. I'm running for points, as well as the budget concerns. I still have improvements to make and money to spend before I max out STS Rules.
After that, we'll be looking at a Quaife, Wicked Wheels and Tires, and some stout engine work.

'Til Then, I'm just planning my Mod path on the "Most Improvements for the money, while still allowing for Forward Expansion w/o replacing too many of my replacement parts".

WHEELSPIN!!!! (Grrrrrrrrr!!!!)

ZXmurph

OmniFocus

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rheacer

ZXmurph

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