TCE/LPE brake package to clear stock 15" wheels?

P-51 · Apr 5, 2003

The parts should arrive Monday or Tuesday, and it'll take me a little while to assemble them to try it out.

What 17" Contour rims are you talking about? I can't imagine this package NOT fitting on 17" anything. (double negative, watch out there!

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[ 04-05-2003, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: P-51 ]

P-51 · Apr 7, 2003

Hmmmm... so far it's not looking too good... At the least it will need spacers. I've got the parts, but they aren't assembled yet. I'm putting the caliper over the rotor, and putting that into the wheel, and then inserting studs to keep it centered. I have to play with a few things here.

I suppose having a 5-10mm spacer on a 52mm offset wheel isn't the end of the world.

OmniFocus · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by P-51:
I suppose having a 5-10mm spacer on a 52mm offset wheel isn't the end of the world.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Bingo.

Whatever you lose in suspension geometry you surely will gain back in consistent and reliable high speed braking.

focusownerskid · Apr 8, 2003

Rob,

How much of a clearance issue are you having with the stockers?

I would be very interested in this setup, I wouldn't mind running the stock 15's in the winter with a spacer. But I would like to keep our current 15" Rota Slips for track use(light and durable), the inside of the Rota is very open and the wheels carry a 35mm offset(6.5in width).

If they would fit, I would be much happier running this setup, so that I would have the option of using the stock wheels in the winter, the Slips for track and other 17in wheels daily, rather than 17in or bigger throughout the seasons.

- Drew

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P-51 · Apr 8, 2003

Omni, I dunno. I don't want to get into Evil Focus Offset Zone (hereby named EFOZ). It's somewhere around 40mm offset that the scrub radius starts to go positive, and the handling of the car can get quite evil. That's why The FR200 and RS are considered hard to drive. I want to stay away from that.

The other problem is, if I have too many spacers, the wheels won't be hubcentric anymore, because the hub won't touch the wheel bore.

Drew, it's really hard to say what wheels will fit without trying. You can't just eyeball it. You have to at least make a template, and even then it's hard to say unless you have tons of room. If it's close... you have to wait until you get the parts.

I still don't know for sure, but I'm thinking they won't fit the 15" wheels. Not without a lot of spacers anyway.

I'm not certain yet, because I don't have the entire package assembled. I just put the calipers over the rotors, and put them in the wheel. With 4mm of spacers, it's tight still. So I'd probably need 6-8mm of spacers to be safe, and I just don't like that idea.

I'm going to be getting a set of junkyard spindles to return as a core so I can use my stock spindles and brakes for the winter.

Hopefully I can get those junkyard parts soon, so I can actually assemble the parts, and really know for sure what the package looks like.

P-51 · Apr 8, 2003

Ok, I got wheel bearings and hubs, so now I can actually assemble everything and test it all out for real. Conclusive results tonight!

Chris F · Apr 8, 2003

Yay.

focusownerskid · Apr 8, 2003

Crosses fingers.

- Drew

Rexthespeedster · Apr 8, 2003

I'm so excited, and I don't even have the parts, I'm merely a spectator. Still, I'm hoping that minimal spacers will allow this to go.

Rex

P-51 · Apr 8, 2003

So far, it's going to take 4mm of spacers to get on my Team Dynamics wheels. So, the wheels won't be hubcentric with those spacers, unless I can find some spacers with hubs...

Not what I had hoped. Now, onto the 15 inchers...

P-51 · Apr 8, 2003

So, I'm looking for H&R spacers that might have a 5mm thickness, yet include the extra little lip thing to extend the hubcentricness...

I've already verified that if I have to, I could easily cut a 5mm thick spacer, with a 63mm hubcenter bore, and like an 80mm hubcenter bore to match the bore in my TD wheels. That would work easily and kill two birds with one stone (namely, the bore in the TD wheels it too big anyway).

But, I'd like to see if there's something off the shelf that will work first.

P-51 · Apr 9, 2003

Ok, I tried the stock 15" wheel, no dice. It's got a radial clearance issue, it just won't work. The only way would be to use like a 1" spacer to get the caliper away from that "ridge" portion I talked about. For some reason wheels have a ridge of reduced ID at the front near the spokes.

You'd have to back the caliper away from that, and it just isn't happening.

Now, the only question left to answer is, do I get 17" Team Dynamics Monza rims in Silver, or Hi-Power silver? I kinda think the high power would look good on my Liquid Grey, but I'm worried it will be too "blingy" like chrome wheels, and also if I ever scratch them, refinishing will be a bitch... And this is for street tires. For race, I'll use the 16" TD Motorsports.

I'm gonna post a question in the wheel and tire forum though. Will 215/45/17 on a 17x7 40mm offset wheel rub?

Who had that fender rolling tool. I might have to do that. Monza Hi Power Silver Monza Silver

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focusownerskid · Apr 9, 2003

Well, that sucks

Looks like i'll just end up getting a 12.2in kit with NDL calipers down the line.

If i'm gonna have to get larger wheels for winter anyway, may as well have some perty big brakes behind em

Are the 12.2in kit supposedly able to fit behind most 16in wheels? Or would it be 17's throughout the seasons?

Rob,

Go with the Hi Power silver, a little bling never hurt anyone!

I think they would compliment the LG more than the bland normal silver would.

- Drew

P-51 · Apr 9, 2003

Yeah, I think I might depending on the cost...

Drew, I saw you had some tips for people on wheel sizes. What do you think?

I'm going 17x7 with an effective offset of 40mm. I'd like to use 215/45/17, what do you think?

Other alternatives are 205/45/17, and 205/50/17.

I'm trying to get as much sidewall as I can on the 17's, but would prefer not to rub. If all it takes is a little fender rolling, I guess it's not the end of the world.

focusownerskid · Apr 9, 2003

Go with the 205-45 or the 215-45. Either one you will, more likely than not, have to roll the fenders.

What technique for rolling fenders do you have? Do you have that special tool? Or do yuo go ghetto with a baseball bat?

Since you are going to roll the fender anyway, go with the 215's. You'll have more sidewall and almost perfect speedo calibration.

- Drew

cosworth · Apr 9, 2003

I have td monzas in matte black w/ 45mm offset and a 3" drop(sca r.i.p.

) and I do not have any clearance issues(205/45/17), are you speaking of the sixteens with a spacer and 215/45/16 w/ 45mm offset?

arskiker · Apr 9, 2003

Originally posted by P-51:

Now, the only question left to answer is, do I get 17" Team Dynamics Monza rims in Silver, or Hi-Power silver? I kinda think the high power would look good on my Liquid Grey, but I'm worried it will be too "blingy" like chrome wheels, and also if I ever scratch them, refinishing will be a bitch... And this is for street tires. For race, I'll use the 16" TD Motorsports.

I'm gonna post a question in the wheel and tire forum though. Will 215/45/17 on a 17x7 40mm offset wheel rub?

Who had that fender rolling tool. I might have to do that. Monza Hi Power Silver Monza Silver

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Man, that sucks about that brakes!

As for wheels... How 'bout the TD Pro Race 1s? In my opinion they are nicer looking than the Monzas. I believe are cheaper too. They may not hold up to Michigan roads thought because of the fact that they are a cast light weight rather than forged wheel. You should look into it as these wheels are bad ass!

P-51 · Apr 9, 2003

Yeah, I've considered those... but I think they are weaker than the Monza, and I need all the strength I can get. The roads in Baghdad look better than here. Also, the spokes seem to bow out, and I don't like that look much. I know it helps with caliper clearance, but I just don't like it.

Whatever happened to your Cronos?

Drew, I'd like to borrow that tool that somebody had... somebody in the suspension forum bought one, and offered to lend it out. Gotta find him.

Hey dude, so, are you moving up to Michigan or what?

Cosworth, yeah 45mm offset with a 5mm spacer.

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Chris F · Apr 9, 2003

Gack! Guess I should best get on the horn and order some 17" tires pronto.

focusownerskid · Apr 9, 2003

Originally posted by P-51:
Drew, I'd like to borrow that tool that somebody had... somebody in the suspension forum bought one, and offered to lend it out. Gotta find him.

Hey dude, so, are you moving up to Michigan or what?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Oh, your talking about Belacyrf - Ya I would love to borrow that too, it's like, how much? $550!?

I wonder if anyone could find a used one for a good bit less.

BTW - You have a PM

- Drew

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