Anyone E-tested their Forced Induction Set Up?

2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

Just for the hell of it, not because it is required? After all it is only $30 CANADIAN in Ontario (cough, cough, P-51 & Chris from Ottawa).

You guys not curious at all? Seeing how much room you have to play with? Whether or not you will have to de-tune your cars every two years?

If you can pass an Ontario test it should pass anywhere in North America including Cal. Could be a sales booster for your prefered supplier.

2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

California is obviously stricter than most US States but even if there maximums were half of the other lower 48 they would be pretty close to Ontario.

If any of you Americans know what the limits for your State please post. I'll search my results out, they are in Off Topic or Pit Stop somewhere.

(EDIT: Found them. The limits are based on a 1991 engine with normal wear and tear factored in. A modern car (Focus) will have much lower limits)

The limit for HC (unburnt hydrocarbons) was 89ppm (parts per million) I tested at 86! Passed by 3ppm!

The limit for CO% (percent by volume carbon monoxide) was 0.5% and I tested at 0.17% which is very good IMO.

The limit for NO (nitous oxide) was 1026ppm and I tested at 690ppm, also very good IMO.

Results were measured at 2121RPM or an indicated 40km/hr. Forgot to look at the gearshift when he did the test but I'm guessing 2nd since 1st is very short.

For the complete thread goto:

http://www.teamfocaljet.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008334

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Chris F · Dec 13, 2001

Ummm, seeing as I have no cat I dont think its going to pass...

Also there is no emissions testing equipment in Ottawa at this time. I believe emissions testing is coming to Ottawa next year however I plan just to pass the idle test each year and not the load test.

2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Chris F:
I plan just to pass the idle test each year and not the load test.<hr></blockquote>

You have no choice but to dyno. Even if you were AWD the alternative to the front wheel dyno is a "two speed" (read RPM) idle test. Don't know what RPM's exactly. The visual inspection or pre-test looks for all your polution control parts including EGR, PCV etc.

You won't beleive how stressful it is on you, even on a $3000 car, till you do it. I would have taken a failure as a personal slight since I consider myself a bit of a car guy. How dare you fail my trusted companion he's part of the family! Its like someone telling you your child is a loser!

2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

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Many of us in Ontario and it looks like NJ have very strict programs and must know definate numbers before choosing a forced induction system. That is the whole point of this post. For some like P-51 taking his A/C on and off is Ok, because he can do it himeself and likes doing it, I'd have to pay a shop $50/hr.

I welcome anyone else to post what numbers are for their state/province. (EDIT: by ZTS)
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P-51 · Dec 13, 2001

Oh, 2001ZTS: did you notice how much they check for non-standard equipment?

Ie: If you have an extra injector, will that fail you? Or are they just checking to see if anything is *missing*?

2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

Sorry for so many posts in a row! I searched out the Random Tech Cat emmision test results. PLEASE remember I'm not knocking the product I'm just interested in what the E-test limits are for various juristictions. Here are the Pennsylvania limits as posted:

readings HC= .34 CO= .04
limits (PA) HC= 1.20 CO= 1.00

No units were ever given in that thread but one can only assume the HC=1.20 to mean 1.2%? and the CO=1.00 or 1%. (EDIT: by ZTS)

http://www.teamfocaljet.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=004714

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2001 ZTS · Dec 13, 2001

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by P-51:
Oh, 2001ZTS: did you notice how much they check for non-standard equipment?

Ie: If you have an extra injector, will that fail you? Or are they just checking to see if anything is *missing*?<hr></blockquote>

He definately checked the cap for pressure and the hood was open to place the leads for RPM etc but I did not see him poking around too much. But I was out of sight at some points. When testing does come to Windsor you can choose to go to a 'test and repair' facility, like your friendly(?) Ford dealer or a 'test only' facility which wouldn't know on Focus from another and has no incentive to fail you to get some repair money off you.

spinwax · Dec 13, 2001

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by 2001 ZTS:

I don't know what all the caps are for? I'm sorry you don't like my Subaru, I have a Focus too if that helps at all? If you work for Random Tech or just like them let me explain that that was the ONLY post where I can remember ANYONE posting any actual numbers rather than a plain pass/fail/pending carb approval etc. I appreciate andom Tech for being ballsy enough to do it! I wish more would! Many of us in Ontario and it looks like NJ have very strict programs and must know definate numbers before choosing a forced induction system. That is the whole point of this post. For some like P-51 taking his A/C on and off is Ok, because he can do it himeself and likes doing it, I'd have to pay a shop $50/hr.

I welcome anyone else to post what numbers are for their state/province. You can call my "winter car" a POS as much as you wish, its pretty thick skinned (save for the rust) just like its owner.

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Very adult reply ZTS,

Im not so nice. I would have went off. Good on keeping the JET grown up...

madmax1 · Dec 13, 2001

Boy, I'm glad I live in Ohio. You could run a mack truck through the allowances! I ran my old 95 escort 1.9 (140k) through and passed everything by like 1000% (really!).

motocraft · Dec 13, 2001

HC IS IN PPM
NOX IS IN PPM
LIMITS A VERY VERY LOW DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AND WIEGHT
TEST IS DONE AT 50%ENGINE LOAD AT 15 MPH

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P-51 · Dec 14, 2001

Is Ontario stricter than California?!?!

Dev · Dec 14, 2001

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by motocraft:
HC IS IN PPM
NOX IS IN PPM
LIMITS A VERY VERY LOW DEPENDING ON THE YEAR AND WIEGHT
TEST IS DONE AT 50%ENGINE LOAD AT 15 MPH
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Please stop posting in caps.. if you feel that you need to yell use these...

I don't think that he ever stated that us US people are all polluters

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2001 ZTS · Dec 14, 2001

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& by me. Too bad, some of my best work yet.

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P-51 · Dec 14, 2001

2001ZTS, I will not allow this cretin to destroy your thread. I asked him to change his post, he didn't. I'll get rid of all the crap in everybody's posts, OK?

P-51 · Dec 14, 2001

Ok, this thread is clean. Sorry for the heavy handed use of the delete button, but I couldn't delete just the offending posts, and leave all the response up (especially the ones quoting the offender!)

I run a tight ship.

2001 ZTS · Dec 14, 2001

Thanks Mod!

So back to the original question. I'm guessing a AC and a JRSC would both pass an E-test. Any FI kit for that matter if the cat is still there.

I'm only guessing this as the car is only dyno'd to an indictaed 40km/hr (25mph) and despite the AC spooling up exceptionally fast it is not doing anything spectacular at that speed/RPM or with the little amount of throttle needed to maintain that constnt speed.

I'm also guessing the JRSC would be much the same as with constant throttle at such a low speed the by-pass would be open and the supercharger hardly inputing at all.

But these are all guesses. It would just be a comfort to many to see some actual numbers. Chris F or P-51 are you passing through Toronto anytime over the holidays? AeroJim doing any X-mas shoping in Toronto? I'm interested enough to go 50/50 ($15 LOL) with one of you to see. Even if you don't have a cat, which I think applies to Chris, I'm curious to see just how nasty it is in the name of science.

Jim Czekala · Dec 14, 2001

ZTS- I would be glad to try that, since we'll be on the factory spark/ fuel calibration during the test, it should test as stock.
How do I find an E test place in Niagara Falls? How long does the test take? Will they test a U.S. car?

Jim Czekala · Dec 14, 2001

I need a postal code for Niagara Falls ON to make that website find me a facility. anyone have that postal code #?

2001 ZTS · Dec 14, 2001

Here is a Postal Code for Portage Road Niagara Falls: L2A 2K9

And one for Fort Erie: L2A 5M7

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