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Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

Ford considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement
Automaker also will try to compete against Koreans

By Mark Rechtin
Automotive News / July 01, 2002

LOS ANGELES -- Ford Motor Co. may replace the Ford Taurus with a version of the next-generation Mondeo from Europe, COO Nick Scheele said.

He also confirmed that Ford will penetrate the entry-level car market to compete against the Koreans.

In a meeting with journalists on June 22, Scheele would not confirm that the Mondeo is coming. But he noted that the Five Hundred sedan will move up in size and price above the Taurus. The Five Hundred is due in showrooms in 2004.

When the Five Hundred is in the lineup, Scheele is considering putting a Mondeo-based car between the Focus and the Five Hundred instead of the Taurus. "We've got to have one," he said. "It feeds into our cycle plan."

An auto industry analyst, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Ford is accepting bids from suppliers for a Mondeo made to U.S. specifications, expected in 2005 as a 2006 model.

The current-generation Mondeo does not meet U.S. crash test requirements. Changing the model's front end to comply would be costly and could ruin its design, so Ford is waiting for a complete vehicle redesign to bring it to the United States.

Pricing problems

Disappointing sales marked Ford's attempt to sell Mondeo-based cars, called the Contour and Mystique, in the United States. They were dropped in 2000.

Scheele said the Contour and Mystique failed because the Taurus' price had been reduced to compete against the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. The Contour and Mystique in turn were priced below the Taurus, which eroded profits on the high-content cars.

J Mays, Ford Motor's vice president of design, has said the Five Hundred will cost about the same as a Toyota Avalon, which starts at $26,330, including destination.

A car slotted below the Five Hundred with a wider range of engines could compete more effectively against the Accord and Camry, Scheele said. The current Europe-market Mondeo offers three four-cylinder engines, one V-6 and a turbodiesel.

Fusion is coming

At the entry end of the car lineup, Ford will bring in a Brazilian-built version of the Fusion all-activity vehicle.

The Europe-market edition is being assembled in Cologne, Germany, but the North American model is not expected to arrive until mid-2004. It will be modified significantly from the Europe-market version, which will have a 1.1-liter engine and a five-speed manual transmission.

The American-market version most likely will have a 1.8-liter or 2.0-liter engine and an optional automatic transmission, Scheele said.

"If we duck taking on the entry level, we lose the customer," he said. "If you lose the first-time buyer, you have a hard time getting them back."
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

What the hell would Nascar do with this possibility? I mean the fans almost revolted when they switched from the T-bird, but even tho' the Taurus and Mondeo are similar enough platforms, there is a potential image problem. This would certainly be a challenge to pull off.
 
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I dont understand how the Fusion is going to compete with the korean cars that I'm thinking about. The Fusion is more or less a mini-ute and the Festia would make more sense since its more of a car then a truck...ugh
 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tonepad:
What the hell would Nascar do with this possibility? I mean the fans almost revolted when they switched from the T-bird, but even tho' the Taurus and Mondeo are similar enough platforms, there is a potential image problem. This would certainly be a challenge to pull off.<hr></blockquote>

They's probably get different stickers to make it slightly resemble a 500 instead of slightly resembling a Taurus.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

Is the 500 getting into Crown Vic territory? How much bigger is it than the Taurus? Ford is going to have too many cars under the ford name, again.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

Taurus just can't compete with the likes of Accord, Camry, Passat, etc. Ford absolutely has to get off their butt and bring the Mondeo to the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford changes the name of the car if they bring it over here. I don't see Americans embracing the name Mondeo. Any good ideas for a name?
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Focist:
Taurus just can't compete with the likes of Accord, Camry, Passat, etc. Ford absolutely has to get off their butt and bring the Mondeo to the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford changes the name of the car if they bring it over here. I don't see Americans embracing the name Mondeo. Any good ideas for a name?
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galxie, FocusXL, Ford6?
I like mondeo
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by poondobber:
Is the 500 getting into Crown Vic territory? How much bigger is it than the Taurus? Ford is going to have too many cars under the ford name, again.<hr></blockquote>

Nah two different markets really. The Closest thing to the 500 would be the Passat. If you think about it how many Crown Vics do you see on the roads that aren't Police Cars? I live in the middle of retirement Central in NJ and thats the population that would normally drive those cars and I'm lucky to see more then a couple of them a week. The Crown Vic/Town Car/Marader/Grand Marque are all built off the same platform (Panther is the name and I think and its one of Fords most profitable too).

It would break down like this for Ford car wise, which ATM has 5 cars it builds

ZX2/Fusion-subcompact/Entry Level car..though I have no clue where the ZX2 is going in the next couple years

Focus-small Compact

Upcoming Monedo/Mazada 6- Compact

Taraus-Mid-size car..might go bye bye to create a large enough gap between the new Compact car and 500. Also mid sized Fleet car

500-Full sized or Standard size car

Crown Vic- Full sized fleet car
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

The name Fairlane has be kicked around alot over the years. I like it
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Mondeo is ok but wouldn't work over here I think.
 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
stop considering and just bring it back...<hr></blockquote>

Back..? Did I miss something?
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Focist:
Taurus just can't compete with the likes of Accord, Camry, Passat, etc. Ford absolutely has to get off their butt and bring the Mondeo to the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Ford changes the name of the car if they bring it over here. I don't see Americans embracing the name Mondeo. Any good ideas for a name?
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I say under the ford badge Contour
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and under the mercury badge Mystique
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ooh wait they did that last time the mondeo was here
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ozmotear:


Back..? Did I miss something?
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You did in 1995 the mondeo went on sale in the us as the ford contour and the Mercury Mystique
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see cause I have one...
 
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First off... what kind of friggin name is "500" for a car? does Ford think its a freakin Mercedes now? I mean I know it goes to heritage and the Galaxy 500... but damn.
YES YES YES call the rebadged Mondeo the Galaxy and be done with it. I mean if Chevy can get away with turning its Impala name into a FWD soccer-brat hauler then why can't Ford revive a boat like the Galaxy into a stylish European sport sedan?(looking from an American point of view) Plus we really really are in the 21st century. You can get away with a Galaxy if Honda can have an Odessey (sp?).
Remeber when ford brought the Maverick out? What did they do? First it was a 2door compact then it got a little fatter, then a little more... then finally it died of obeseity as a 4-door iron beast. Same thing as the thunderbird in the 70's. what happens at Ford? They reinvent the old beasts as new smaller cars, till they fatten em up again for slaughter.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:


You did in 1995 the mondeo went on sale in the us as the ford contour and the Mercury Mystique
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see cause I have one...
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Oh... DUH! I'm an Idiot.
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The newer model (Mondeo) looks longer than the Contour. Am I right, or are my eyes playing tricks?
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

I welcome the emphasis on quality, roomy, solid-handling vehicles in the vein of VW and Audi that Ford appears to be moving towards. For a while it seemed that the Focus was going to be an anomaly in the lineup - a product of the "world car" concept that actually was useful here. It certainly could have been.

The Contour never really caught on here because it was up against competition that actually had rear seat room. Otherwise, the Contour was a solid vehicle - so much so that Ford could successfully substitute it's engine and transmission into the Focus a few years later. With room and price tag realigned correctly, the Focus made the Contour largely pointless.

And yet dropping the Mondeo was very stupid on Ford's part. Not making the Taurus refreshening more than an also-ran was worse. But dropping the ball on quality (in very public ways) was the fatal blow. Ford could have overtaken the Civic with the Focus if more people realized it was a quality vehicle (and if Ford hadn't cheaped out on fabrics to save a buck). The very public recalls prevented that - and Ford hasn't responded to those recalls effectively. Making the Duratec 2.3 available in 2002 and dropping the SPI would have kept the Focus from suffering in the latest reviews.

But the damage is done. Getting the Duratec in some 2003 models will help. Dropping the SPI will help further. But the Focus redesign need to happen for 2004. Delaying it will cost Ford big-time. Special editions will not prevent that.

In short, QUALITY should be Ford's mantra. They must not only match, but exceed all competitors in quality, both in reliability and in feel. Emulating VW/Audi's perceived quality and Honda/Toyota's reliability is the only way to dig out of this hole.

Bring the Mondeo over already! The redesigned model needs to come out at the same time as in Europe. The Focus too. Not having both redesigns ready for 2004 will cost them big.

All three new sedans (Focus, Mondeo, 500) should emphasize high-technology. CVT's should be optional - and all powerplants should have at least a VTEC-style variable-valve timing system. Hybrid models should also exist, at least in the Focus and Mondeo. Drum brakes need to be banished - NOW! All traditional automatics should be at least a five-speed, and all manuals should be six-speeds. All expensive - but that's the point. Long-term, money is better spent on quality product than incentives. Even GM's figuring that out now - Ford has no excuses.

The ride-handling that Mondeo's and Focus models have must continue, and spread to all Ford car lines. The Focus's ride and handling is one big reason they sell well despite the recalls. It imparts that image of quality Ford must regain.

Also, the "cost cutting" that Ford's been discussing must not be evident in future models. The Focus and Mondeo, particularly the ones with tire/wheel upgrades, do not look cheap outside. Inside, the Focus mostly shines, aside from the upholstery and carpeting. They must continue to improve - and no cheaping on the fabrics this time. What they've done on the 2003 Expedition / Navigator interior should set the tone for all future Ford models. Costs be damned. Perceived quality will win over converts - and reliable service will ensure the positive word-of-mouth that put Honda and Toyota on the map.

This isn't rocket science. Ford has to respond to the market. Losing the Taurus and Escort sales titles to the Civic, Accord, and Camry was a direct result of Ford's negligence, just as Honda and Toyota's success were a direct result of the Big Three's negligence. Once upon a time, the Taurus was the only evidence that Detroit had a clue. Now it's symbolic of how Detroit STILL doesn't have a clue.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

once the Taurus name is gone, i will feel much better about owning a ford... i welcome the Mondeo with open arms, the 1989 Taurus, oh the horrors the horrors! (shudder)
 
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