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How Ford\'s GT40 became just the GT

How Ford's GT40 became just the GT
Automaker shifts gears on sports car's famous name after negotiations stall

By K.C. Crain
Automotive News / October 21, 2002

For months, Ford Motor Co. has been trumpeting the rebirth of a famous automotive name: the GT40, a short-lived but legendary sports car that dominated Le Mans in the 1960s.

And suddenly last week the new model, which will arrive in limited numbers in 2004, was simply the GT.

How come?

Thirty years ago, nobody at Ford bothered to register the GT40 trademark. And the trademark owner's initial demand, in the $40 million range, led the cost-conscious automaker to drop the "40" moniker and hang onto its money.

"We wanted the (new) car to be called the Ford GT40," says Bob Wood, part-owner of Safir GT40 Spares Ltd. of Cincinnati, which bought the GT40 name in 1999. The company sells replacement parts for the 160 GT40s built from 1964 to 1969.

"Ford was unwilling to negotiate and wouldn't make an offer," Wood said.

Ford spokesman Dan Bedore declined to discuss specifics of the negotiations, saying only that the two parties "couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms."

The name change to GT was announced Tuesday, Oct. 15.

Ford said it would build three copies of the sports car in late 2003 to commemorate the automaker's 1-2-3 finish at the 1966 24 Hours of LeMans as part of Ford's 100th anniversary celebration.

The automaker said it would build about 1,000 GTs annually starting in 2004, at a price of "substantially less" than $150,000.

A hairpin turn

In its press release, the automaker downplayed the name change, stating that the official name of the original race car was the Ford GT, and the GT40 label was only a popular nickname derived from the vehicle's 40-inch height.

That was a hairpin turn from the initial marketing efforts. At the Detroit auto show in January, the Ford stand was awash in GT40 mania. Journalists and Ford employees filled an arena to watch the unveiling of the concept car, and Ford distributed metal replicas of the car's knock-off wheel hub, emblazoned with a GT40 logo.

The concept car had its own stand at the show, where visitors were served "GT40 ****tails."

Forty-five days later, Ford officials said they would build the GT40.

And then the name game turned ugly.

Ford had negotiated limited rights to the GT40 name from Safir GT40 Spares for the concept car, and assumed that the rest of the deal would fall into place. As part of the marketing effort, it had filed a dozen applications with the United States Patent and Trademark Office to use the GT40 name on a wide variety of items, such as clothing, luggage, jewelry and even can openers.

But Safir's $40 million bombshell - a figure provided by a Ford source and confirmed by Wood as the starting point for the negotiations - was the beginning of the end.

Roots in 1985

The trademark problem actually began in 1985, when Safir Engineering Ltd. of Surrey, England, bought the rights to the GT40 name to set its vehicles apart from other replicas that were being made of the race car.

Safir Engineering produced copies of the car in the 1980s and 1990s, continuing the sequence of serial numbers from the original cars.

The company closed in 1999 and transferred the trademark and rights to produce and sell replacement parts for the cars to Safir GT40 Spares, the parts company owned by Wood and partners Brady Pack and John Sadler. So all the GT40s on the road will continue to be vintage models.

Said Bedore of Ford: "In the end, Ford decided to go a different route, and we think it worked out very well."
 
Re: How Ford\'s GT40 became just the GT

who cares if they called the thing the Ford Escort or Pinto it still would have sold
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sub, less than $150,000 ? Oh boy, i'll just go to my bank and make a withdrawl from my savings and ... wait... i'm not donald trump... *DAMN*
 
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Well, if you're not Donald Trump and only have half the money, get a Viper. I can't imagine the Ford GT having more than 500hp, and I can't imagine the Ford GT weighing much less than the Viper does at 3300lbs, which BTW, is about what a Porsche Carrera weighs. Incidentally, the Ferrari 360 Modena weighs something like 3100lbs, so don't hold your breath hoping the Ford GT will be a lightweight sportscar (relative for today's machines) so let's hope the Ford GT puts out some serious power. Oh, BTW, the Saleen S7 puts out like 500hp, using a Ford mill, so I don't have high hopes that Ford will find a lot more power for the Ford GT. So just save yourself a bunch of dough and buy a Viper if you want a raw driving machine, or a Corvette if you want something real refined.
 
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Re: How Ford\'s GT40 became just the GT

Originally posted by GTIspirit:
Well, if you're not Donald Trump and only have half the money, get a Viper. I can't imagine the Ford GT having more than 500hp, and I can't imagine the Ford GT weighing much less than the Viper does at 3300lbs, which BTW, is about what a Porsche Carrera weighs. Incidentally, the Ferrari 360 Modena weighs something like 3100lbs, so don't hold your breath hoping the Ford GT will be a lightweight sportscar (relative for today's machines) so let's hope the Ford GT puts out some serious power. Oh, BTW, the Saleen S7 puts out like 500hp, using a Ford mill, so I don't have high hopes that Ford will find a lot more power for the Ford GT. So just save yourself a bunch of dough and buy a Viper if you want a raw driving machine, or a Corvette if you want something real refined.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">we shall see. the GT40 advantage is it's Mid engine.
 
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Originally posted by GTIspirit:
Well, if you're not Donald Trump and only have half the money, get a Viper. I can't imagine the Ford GT having more than 500hp, and I can't imagine the Ford GT weighing much less than the Viper does at 3300lbs, which BTW, is about what a Porsche Carrera weighs. Incidentally, the Ferrari 360 Modena weighs something like 3100lbs, so don't hold your breath hoping the Ford GT will be a lightweight sportscar (relative for today's machines) so let's hope the Ford GT puts out some serious power. Oh, BTW, the Saleen S7 puts out like 500hp, using a Ford mill, so I don't have high hopes that Ford will find a lot more power for the Ford GT. So just save yourself a bunch of dough and buy a Viper if you want a raw driving machine, or a Corvette if you want something real refined.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Umm the engine is going to have 500HP.It's is a supercharged 5.4L with 500HP 500ft/lbs of Torque.The Viper is not that great, they never were.There not super great at handling and unrealiable for thier money, 80000+ for a car spitting rods and pistons
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The Viper isn't great.The new one hopefully will be alot better
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The car will also weigh 3000 lbs.The Corvette has great handling and I find the engine could put out more power for it's size.It's interior is horrible,I know i have been in one.They weigh about 3200lbs i think but we will have to wait and see
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Originally posted by Kool_ZX3:
Umm the engine is going to have 500HP.It's is a supercharged 5.4L with 500HP 500ft/lbs of Torque.

The Viper isn't great.The new one hopefully will be alot better
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The car will also weigh 3000 lbs.

The Corvette has great handling and I find the engine could put out more power for it's size.It's interior is horrible,I know i have been in one.They weigh about 3200lbs i think but we will have to wait and see
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I was just saying that the Ford GT won't have much more than 500hp, meaning not much more power than a Viper. I didn't say the Viper was great, only that it's a heckuva lot of raw performance for the price.

What makes you say the Ford GT will weigh 3000lbs???? I have serious doubts that Ford can build a mid-engine sports car that is lighter than a Ferrari....
 
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Originally posted by GTIspirit:
What makes you say the Ford GT will weigh 3000lbs????
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Because the original GT40 was quite a bit less than 3000 lbs. I can look it up and find out exactly what it was.

Edit: I looked and found that the 1966 LeMans winner weighed 2682 lbs with a big, heavy 427 engine that was rated 485hp/475ft-lbs.

[ 10-23-2002, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: estell ]
 
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Originally posted by estell:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by GTIspirit:
What makes you say the Ford GT will weigh 3000lbs????
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Because the original GT40 was quite a bit less than 3000 lbs. I can look it up and find out exactly what it was.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The original was a race car not burdened by today's regulations standards and amenities and equipment so that's not necessarily a valid conclusion to make.
 
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Ford and SVT have stated the target is under 3000 pounds. Hey you doubt Ford could build a car lighter than a Ferrari hu???? its thoughts like that that encouraged the orginal. When people including Enzo said Ford could never beat Ferrari, the Ferrari got its ass handed to it three times in front of the world.
Currently the Cobras 4.6 S/C motor is pumping out a claimed 390 hp when it really dynos over four hundred crank hp. Now imagine the head on the 5.4 liter and the boost cranked, that may very well be 500 wheel hp!
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I think the name change is good, the GT40 has its own history why rewrite it? the GT name lives off the legend but does not change the orginal story.
 
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500bhp @ 5250rpms & 500ft-lbs @ 3250rpms... yet if you look at any other DOHC v8 offered by Ford w/ a manual trans their redline is significantly higher. What do we know about supercharged applications and the power they make through out their rpms ranges?
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If you guessed that with higher rpms it will make higher power number, you are probably right.

-Mark
 
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Originally posted by TLP:
Ford and SVT have stated the target is under 3000 pounds. Hey you doubt Ford could build a car lighter than a Ferrari hu???? its thoughts like that that encouraged the orginal.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Just because that is the target doesn't mean that's what we'll see. How many times have we seen manufacturers target XX hp and YY weight, only to fall short of those stated goals. Now for some comparison:
2003 NSX 3153lbs 290hp
2003 Z06 3118lbs 405hp
2003 Viper 3357lbs 500hp
2003 Boxster S 2855lbs 250hp
2003 911 Turbo 3395lbs 415hp
2001 360 Modena F1 hardtop 3064lbs 400hp

I only see one sports car under 3000lbs (excluding things like the MR2 and Miata) so I doubt Ford will reach their goal of 3000lbs. I'd guess Ford will deliver the GT at a weight of 3300-3400lbs and not too much more than 500hp, definitely not over 550hp.
 
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If ford doesn't design this car for racing and then take it to LeMans within a year of it's introduction, then I will loose all respect for it. It's just another shiny toy for rich middle aged folks. They NEED to go get a class win a LeMans. It has to happen.
 
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