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#22 ·
I'm on Randy's side!! If someone's gonna spout out about something totally false then they need to be set straight. Sometimes that hurts a little. If you don't like it...better strap on a helmet
 
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#23 ·
Best thing since Jerry Springer, huh fellas??
 
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Originally Posted by 02WhtZX3
When FocusSport originally put pics of the head on their website, Randy didnt know much about how easily someone could find the properties of the pic. Anyone could right click on them and see they were linked to the direct motion site, where he also took the pic of the 4.6L head toolpath and tried to make it look like it was for the focus. Now anyone who knows anything about ford engines knew it wasnt the right toolpath, so I see he finally changed it and slapped some cheesy FocusSport logos onto the screenshot and changed the header of the page to Cosworth-USA. Good job covering up your tracks, just like you are trying to cover up who really runs the machine on this head, come on Randy just tell the truth.
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Looks like he's already addressed this in his post above (Post #6).
 
#26 ·
This makes for incredible entertainment. How about a few verses of "My port's better than your port"? I say let'm settle it in a steel cage match in Ohio!
 
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Just so no one thinks I 've got a dog in this fight, I'm just a guy in Chicago who is planning on FI in the future, and has read OJ's posts about the things that work well on NA working good on FI (ie, better flowing heads.) I am simply a ZX3 owner who wants to spend his money wisely, get good power, in a streetable daily driver package.

Denny, setting the record straight.
 
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Inkedfireman said:
Just so no one thinks I 've got a dog in this fight, I'm just a guy in Chicago who is planning on FI in the future, and has read OJ's posts about the things that work well on NA working good on FI (ie, better flowing heads.) I am simply a ZX3 owner who wants to spend his money wisely, get good power, in a streetable daily driver package.

Denny, setting the record straight.
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No problem Denny, I know you're just an innocent bystander. :lol:
 
#29 ·
This is ridiculous.

Yes, but there is a difference between, "That information is incorrect. Let me tell you why...", and "shows what you know, Mr. Smarty-pants!". My issue was not with the intent of the response, but rather the tone. Again, Randy is free to represent his company however he likes.
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He did nothing but defend his product. Did you want him to respond as some Zen Buddhist Master that is as calm & wise as the country wind?
 
#30 ·
It seems there has been some controversy over the ZETEC cylinder heads
we produce for Focussport. To set the record straight, Focussport had us develop the port
around the stock valve dimension. The head and port design was a product of
several months of work on the flow bench and design analysis. The port shape
was optimized to give a good all around performance gain with strong mid range
performance. We machine the cylinder heads in our facility in Torrance California. These
heads are not produced at our UK factory. We have been using a CNC machines to mill cylinder head ports for over 10 years. Additionally, there has been question regarding the original jpeg that Focussport displayed depicting a digitized port. That was a generic image I sent Randy, supplied by the software firm that we using for digitizing. I have no idea what it shows. I have since sent Randy@Focussport an image of the ZETEC port. We also flow and measure all of our cylinder heads at 50”. Most companies use 28”. Cosworth uses 50 because
A. Our flow bench will go that high (most wont)
B. Testing a head at high pressure can show improvements that flowing at lower pressure will not. This is accurate across the entire lift range.

Remember, flow is not everything. Velocity is also very important for all around drivability.


If you have any additional questions, please contact me directly at Cosworth. I will not respond to this thread again.

Ken
Cosworth, Inc.
310 534 1390 x 423

ken.anderson@cosworth.com
 
#31 ·
I think its all a matter of how well she gets her teeth out of the way, and hopefully she doesnt have one of those snaggle teeth.....ouch... :eek:
 
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#32 · (Edited)
Wow, what a great thread. To all the haters, I appreciate all the press you're giving us by bringing this up over and over again. :D

I was up in Ventura checking out this year's FOTB location, so I'm a little late, but it sounds like Ken from Cosworth has already set it straight.

FocusLacy,
I would have been much more polite about all of this if this wasn't the first time this had come up by the banned user. And it really wasn't just questioning what we are offering, it was straight up saying that we were deceiving everyone. Anyone who knows me will tell you I'm a very nice guy. I don't start ****, I only respond to it. And if anyone thinks that isn't the case, feel free to PM me and I'll tell you all you want to know about any history I have with anyone and everyone you'd like to know about - you can make up your own mind.

If someone is going to publicly post lies about us, I'm going to step in and set it straight. I would expect most people to do the same. I would have never thought my words sounded as if I were trying to be an internet tough guy, especially when I was laughing the entire time I was typing. ;)

I guess we pissed off a lot of people when we teamed up with Cosworth and if you ( meaning people in general ) are one of those people, I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you are upset. :dunno: However, let me make a suggestion: Relax. Chill. Take it easy. Life will go on.

I've got no problem with people discussing/arguing about our head vs. head X, Y, or Z, but please don't lie about it. :thumbup:
 
#33 · (Edited)
01WhtZX3 said:
Damn, everytime a topic for who has the best ported head is brought up, it seems like a sore subject for you. I am just trying to help out fellow jetters with their decisions on products. If something is flat out a better deal and less money, why the heck would anyone want to buy the more expensive product just because it has a certain, "name on it." I know for a fact that Cosworth does not do the cnc port work on the head. Obviously they were involved in helping you develop the cnc profile, but you try to make it look like they do all the work, which is not the case. Oh and btw, I don't wanna trash the thread, just giving my opinion like everyone else is. :thumbup:

That's all I'm going to say about it. :)

See you in Ohio!
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Again, don't lie about it. Opinions and facts are always welcome. You're acting like you know everything about our head, yet you don't. I really don't see why you are even posting about it other than trying to discredit us.

And posting lies under an alias, which is completely obvious, really doesn't give you any credibility. If you're gonna say some ****, just sign on under your regular FJ name and let it all hang out.
 
#34 ·
Inkedfireman said:
Just so no one thinks I 've got a dog in this fight, I'm just a guy in Chicago who is planning on FI in the future, and has read OJ's posts about the things that work well on NA working good on FI (ie, better flowing heads.) I am simply a ZX3 owner who wants to spend his money wisely, get good power, in a streetable daily driver package.

Denny, setting the record straight.
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Don't get caught up in this soap opera. Its not worth the effort. Consider the source. We have done extensive testing on heads. We can help you out. We know the FR head very well.
 
#35 ·
Jibberish18 said:
This is ridiculous. He did nothing but defend his product. Did you want him to respond as some Zen Buddhist Master that is as calm & wise as the country wind?
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So you don't think he's capable of that? Frankly, if I was Randy, I'd be insulted...:D

Inkedfireman said:
Just so no one thinks I 've got a dog in this fight, I'm just a guy in Chicago who is planning on FI in the future, and has read OJ's posts about the things that work well on NA working good on FI (ie, better flowing heads.) I am simply a ZX3 owner who wants to spend his money wisely, get good power, in a streetable daily driver package. Denny, setting the record straight.
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Denny, I apologize for my part in derailing your thread.
 
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HIREV said:
It seems there has been some controversy over the ZETEC cylinder heads
we produce for Focussport. To set the record straight, Focussport had us develop the port
around the stock valve dimension. The head and port design was a product of
several months of work on the flow bench and design analysis. The port shape
was optimized to give a good all around performance gain with strong mid range
performance. We machine the cylinder heads in our facility in Torrance California. These
heads are not produced at our UK factory. We have been using a CNC machines to mill cylinder head ports for over 10 years. Additionally, there has been question regarding the original jpeg that Focussport displayed depicting a digitized port. That was a generic image I sent Randy, supplied by the software firm that we using for digitizing. I have no idea what it shows. I have since sent Randy@Focussport an image of the ZETEC port. We also flow and measure all of our cylinder heads at 50”. Most companies use 28”. Cosworth uses 50 because
A. Our flow bench will go that high (most wont)
B. Testing a head at high pressure can show improvements that flowing at lower pressure will not. This is accurate across the entire lift range.

Remember, flow is not everything. Velocity is also very important for all around drivability.


If you have any additional questions, please contact me directly at Cosworth. I will not respond to this thread again.

Ken
Cosworth, Inc.
310 534 1390 x 423

ken.anderson@cosworth.com
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Thanks for setting the record straight Ken.
 
#37 ·
FocusLacy said:
So you don't think he's capable of that? Frankly, if I was Randy, I'd be insulted...:D
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Look at Zen Master, Phil Jackson, even he stands up and gives a mouthful when a foul should have been called. :lol:

I don't have anywhere near the patience of Phil, though. ;)
 
#39 ·
Yet the detractors would believe that Ken is just a "made up person" and that they're just covering their tracks.

:lol:

Sad really. I'd go out and buy both heads and dyno and flow test em both but the detractors wouldn't believe my results anyway...


I for one appreciate Randy and Ken comin in to give us the straight truth, without having to hide behind aliases and such. THAT is why they get my business.



Denny... if you want my honest opinon... the FocusSport head has been developed and tested far more than the FRPP Head, and any aftermarket work done to it. Sure its a "remanufacture" but with the exact specs that Cosworth uses, don't you think they'd reject any head that wasn't good enough?

Cosworth designed the SVT head. They've designed Formula 1 Engines, and WRC Engines on the Zetec Platform even. For my money, the research is well worth the extra money you pay. Good luck on your purchase.
 
#40 ·
Well put BUR ZX3!! I second that!!
 
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