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Ford Motor Company North America does not care. they are only interested in selling large amounts of vehicles which are inexpensive to build at as high of a markup as possible. just because there is a vocal minority of their ownership wants it to does not mean they are going to switch their entire product focus over to 3-door manual-transmission turbo hatchbacks. they are also not going to spend far more in regulatory approval than they would eventually make on the cars everyone wants to bring over from Europe. terribly sorry. get over it and buy the car that best fits your needs/desires. if Ford loses, so be it.

(is this a rant?)
 
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1) yes it is a rant, but that OK.

2) This should be a post in one of the threads going on right now.. not a new thread

3) Ford is no different from any other auto maker. All of them want to sell lots of cars with good margins... And part of it is listening to the market... we are not big enough to sway them, but the market is... if the market is eating up Civic Si and the new GTI, there is a place for a "hoth hatch" Focus with the 2.3 DISI Focus.

Igor
 
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this is in response to the threads made every other day or so about how Ford is messing up their business.

on #3, see my above post. we are not a target market.
 
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all these threads have people saying the same thing. ford needs to bring a turbo hatch here. why? cuz about 100 people on [fj] will buy them. alot of people on here are trading in there hatchs for sedans and coupes. a turbo hatch isnt the end all car. i mean some of you might like it. as far as them selling here i dont know. alot of people bought the zx3 cuz it was a cheap car and had good gas milage. dont you think that will all change when you add a turbo and mark the price up 10-15k?
 
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I really don't think anyone on here at this point who OWNS a Focus and is looking to buy a car in the next 1-2 years and spending under $26,000 would even consider the Focus. Hell, if I only had $20,000 I would still not consider it... I'd get a Civic Si... and if I couldn't afford one of those, I'd get a Mazda3.
 
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I think your rant is somewhat irrelevant. Nobody is asking Ford to design and produce these little cars purely for NA. What we're asking, is for Ford to build the same cars they ALREADY MAKE and sell them here. The engineering is done, the tooling is made, the bugs have been worked out of the production, all they have to do is crash test a couple, build them, and sell them. That would cost them all of what, maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars, and if they sold even 1,000, they'd easily recoup their costs
 
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spots25 said:
I think your rant is somewhat irrelevant. Nobody is asking Ford to design and produce these little cars purely for NA. What we're asking, is for Ford to build the same cars they ALREADY MAKE and sell them here. The engineering is done, the tooling is made, the bugs have been worked out of the production, all they have to do is crash test a couple, build them, and sell them. That would cost them all of what, maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars, and if they sold even 1,000, they'd easily recoup their costs
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the point of my little rant is irrelevant. hmmm more like your is. the point is there not that big of a market here for that kinda car. europeans love small fast cars. americans love big fast cars. deal with it. also it would cost tons to conform it to american standards. the power would be less. so you would never get the same xact car as they do in other parts fo the world.
 
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The trend in America has been changing over the past few years and Ford itself has admitted that. American's are moving away from big, fast, gas guzzling cars towards smaller and more effecient cars hence the cancellation of the adrenaline.

Scoobys sell like hotcakes, evos sell equally if not better. Volvo wouldn't exist over here if america didn't like smallish fast (allbeit ungodly heavy) cars. And theres are a thousand more japanese/korean examples I could list. Honestly, there is a HUGE market for these cars, and ford realizes that now. We will see change at the Ford pace.

BTW, why do you guys think that Detroit automakers are in such huge ****ing trouble right now? Because America can't get anough of their gas guzzling behemoths? No, it is because American auto makers won't update with more cheap, small, and more effecient vehicles like the imports have been giving us for years and years.
 
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I like how on the "we're in big trouble commercial" with Bill Ford having a chat with us, he's like "we have to use our american ingenuity to bring the consumers what they want."

I was just like, uhhh, it's not "american ingenuity", it's ****ing copying the business models of the europeans and japanese who are kicking your asses with excellent products
 
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Housoft said:
The trend in America has been changing over the past few years and Ford itself has admitted that. American's are moving away from big, fast, gas guzzling cars towards smaller and more effecient cars hence the cancellation of the adrenaline.

Scoobys sell like hotcakes, evos sell equally if not better. Volvo wouldn't exist over here if america didn't like smallish fast (allbeit ungodly heavy) cars. And theres are a thousand more japanese/korean examples I could list. Honestly, there is a HUGE market for these cars, and ford realizes that now. We will see change at the Ford pace.

BTW, why do you guys think that Detroit automakers are in such huge ****ing trouble right now? Because America can't get anough of their gas guzzling behemoths? No, it is because American auto makers won't update with more cheap, small, and more effecient vehicles like the imports have been giving us for years and years.
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i wasnt so much talking about small cars as much as hatches. theres not need for a turbo hatch in america. yeah performance small cars do well. hoe many performacne hatchs or out there? not to many. im just sick of hereing ford need to make a turbo hatch. they dont. if you want a turbo hatch turbo a zx3 and stop bitching. it will be cheaper to do it tha way anyway.
 
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I don't see why they couldn't make a turbo motor for the Focus in general. Have it available for the ZX3, ZX4, ZX5, and ZXW. Not like it would be difficult. Then you appeal the performance sedan crowd and the hatch crowd. Win freakin' win.
 
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67GoatPimp said:
I don't see why they couldn't make a turbo motor for the Focus in general. Have it available for the ZX3, ZX4, ZX5, and ZXW. Not like it would be difficult. Then you appeal the performance sedan crowd and the hatch crowd. Win freakin' win.
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yeah i agree with you there, but the fact is,a majority of poeple bitching are bitching they want the rs, st, and all the c1 platform. thres no need for them here. we dont need a focus rs here. people are saying all ford has to do is ship them here or get the part and buil here i dont know what world there living in where they think its that easy.
 
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67GoatPimp said:
I don't see why they couldn't make a turbo motor for the Focus in general. Have it available for the ZX3, ZX4, ZX5, and ZXW. Not like it would be difficult. Then you appeal the performance sedan crowd and the hatch crowd. Win freakin' win.
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No one would pay the Turbo price for a current focus..they are lucky to get 11k out of a base focus... the current gen goes mostly to fleets and that is it.. there is no desire, not retail appeal of that car anymore.. it was outgrown by newer and more sophisitcated cars sitered for the same price....

It is an OK base car, but in the current looks and interior, and image, no one will drop the 20k that a Turbo car would need to sell for...

that is all..

BTW rumor has it the next (2008) Focus will only be sedan and a coupe (a la cobalt). But will look very good (the phrase was BMW like).


Igor
 
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I still say I wanna get my hands on a Fiesta with the steering wheel here on the left side, because that was such a fun little car to test drive over in England, but I'm not bitching and moaning about us not having it yet, I'm making do with my current Focus and am eventually gonna buy another subcompact hatch because that's what I enjoy and hence is what I'm buying :thumbup:

-Brian
 
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I read in C&D that the new Golf GTi is $28,000 loaded, and the seats are plaid.

That's just nuts.

However, I can agree to a point. Ford says the "way forward" is through "exciting, innovating designs", and cutting vehicles like the Adrenalin is NOT the way forward, it's the way to a government bailout.
 
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Osiris please take your head out of your behind...

you are completely wrong.... Adrenalin would have been a nice image car. Also each one of the vehicles sold would bring in a nice profit, but overall the sales would have not brought in enough money to cover the R&D costs... period..

Ford needs mainstream appeal cars that will sell to retail and not to fleets.. its first line of attack needs to be replacing al lthe old models that are dumped in fleets, with new designs that PEOPLE want... Taurus is gone, next Focus will be redesigned, Escape is getting a makeover etc.. those are cash cows, not SVT models.. those are just for image..

If Ford did what GM is doing, focusing on idiotic image cars like Turboed Cobalt, they would have ended up in Bankrupcy...they are doing the smart thing, by setting their priorities right... first have good lineup that sells, then maybe bring some extravagant models....

Look how Hyundai and Kia did it... there is nothing extravagant in their lineup, yet their sales are skyrocketing and they are well profitable.

Now look at Chevy, and all thewir little "niche" cars and plans, and look how much profits they made last year.

Igor
 
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Housoft said:
The trend in America has been changing over the past few years and Ford itself has admitted that. American's are moving away from big, fast, gas guzzling cars towards smaller and more effecient cars hence the cancellation of the adrenaline.

Scoobys sell like hotcakes, evos sell equally if not better. Volvo wouldn't exist over here if america didn't like smallish fast (allbeit ungodly heavy) cars. And theres are a thousand more japanese/korean examples I could list. Honestly, there is a HUGE market for these cars, and ford realizes that now. We will see change at the Ford pace.

BTW, why do you guys think that Detroit automakers are in such huge ****ing trouble right now? Because America can't get anough of their gas guzzling behemoths? No, it is because American auto makers won't update with more cheap, small, and more effecient vehicles like the imports have been giving us for years and years.
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The only problem is that Ford needs to sell what what both WRX and EVO are selling to make any money. Ford CANNOT survive on niche sales like what the WRX and EVO are doing. They need good selling Bread and butter cars that sell 200K per plaform before even considering making a performance car that will be lucky to sell 10-20K units a year.

The vast majory of the car buying public wants a mid-size car that gets decent gas mileage..thats why Camary and Accord sell so well. They dont want smaller cars then that for the most part. While small cars are going to increase in popularty, I dont see them over taking those two mentioned name plates any time in the near future unless gas goes over $4 bucks a gallon. Not to mention it is really hard to make any money on small cars compaired to mid-size cars
 
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igor2 said:
Osiris please take your head out of your behind...

you are completely wrong.... Adrenalin would have been a nice image car. Also each one of the vehicles sold would bring in a nice profit, but overall the sales would have not brought in enough money to cover the R&D costs... period..

Ford needs mainstream appeal cars that will sell to retail and not to fleets.. its first line of attack needs to be replacing al lthe old models that are dumped in fleets, with new designs that PEOPLE want... Taurus is gone, next Focus will be redesigned, Escape is getting a makeover etc.. those are cash cows, not SVT models.. those are just for image..

If Ford did what GM is doing, focusing on idiotic image cars like Turboed Cobalt, they would have ended up in Bankrupcy...they are doing the smart thing, by setting their priorities right... first have good lineup that sells, then maybe bring some extravagant models....

Look how Hyundai and Kia did it... there is nothing extravagant in their lineup, yet their sales are skyrocketing and they are well profitable.

Now look at Chevy, and all thewir little "niche" cars and plans, and look how much profits they made last year.

Igor
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You sound like you have been living in a cave for a few years. GM is doing what consumers want. And a turbo Cobalt will sell just as the SC one has.
Chevy seen what Dodge did and took it alot further for the "tuner" market. And it is working for them.
 
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