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This has been picked up by the #1 NASCAR fan/rumor site - Jayski's , so it may have a little more cred than some have commented.

I enjoy auto racing in all its incarnations, and follow NASCAR. My observation is that Ford's involvement has been shrinking and that GM has the most teams. Dodge just recently returned to NASCAR after being out for many years. Dodge is the only manufacturer that is financially healthy.

So, who knows? I unfortunately can't imagine Ford saying they want to support grass roots racing in order to showcase race cars that look like the cars you can buy from the showroom. Look at SWC or GAC - no factory Fords there.
 
(^ ^ ^ LOL - now that is funny. I might use that a couple of months down the road. :thumbup:

I like Todd and even though he can be a Pompous Opinionated Liberal Elitist Bastid who Reeks of Bacon, I know him personally and he's a hard working, intelligent, sometimes selfless guy that loves motorsport. I just wish I could understand his perverse hatred of sedans on an oval.)




I read the post quoted in the original post of this thread and if what it posits is true, it would have to be Chevy that would 'pull out'... but I cannot believe it's true and Hal makes some good points in his post.

Two thing are very obvious, though, and that is the cars that compete in NASCAR ain't what they used to be and that GM looks like a sinking ship.

Let's see what 2007 has to offer; meantime, if one knows anything about chassis setup and what it takes to adapt to tire wear and constantly changing track surface conditions, NASCAR competition will remain interesting. It matters little that the cars only turn left; they're fighting for traction into, the middle of and out of the corners. No two turns are the same no matter which track they run on.
 
FocusinZX3 said:
hmmm i wonder where Bur is...

This post totally dropped off my radar.

Why?

Cuz I, like most of the world, care very VERY little about ******** that can drive around in a circle.


As for Not knowing who Dave Richards is.... I know VERY WELL who Dave Richards is... but thats not what was said... go back and look... it said Dave Richardson.



Put that in your pipe and go stare at the car on cinderblocks in the front yard.
 
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OK so.. I think I want to make my guess..........

It makes sense DCX will not be it, so it is crossed off the list.

Now ford and GM remain. the three areas the said automaker wants to compete in are: 1) stock based vehicles, 2) engine development for open wheel competition but not F1 and 3) LeMans.

I will start in reverse order. From LeMans perspective, GM has a better case. Corvette has been doing great and it would make sense their goal is to with the whole thing...
However Jaguar could benefit from a racing success . It seems the F1 experiement aimed at creating a racing halo around the brand - but it failed. A LeMans victory could provide a boost in brand image. Alternatively, Volvo seems to be obsessed with figting Audi.. even in LeMans.. and if thwey are really so fixated on the target, it would make sense to enter LeMans.
However, becasue Chevy is already in the game and doing well, GM takes this round.

Now with stock based competition, I cn think of Trucks and WRC.. I am not familiar with other competitions. Trucks seem to have both GM and Ford competing, so I will keep that as a tie.
However Ford has been very successful in WRC, while Gm has been largely absent. There could be a case for enterring he competition, but just like above, because Ford is already in and living large off of the halo from their involvement, WRC goes to Ford.

Finally with engine projects for open wheel competition, I will also go with Ford. The Cosworth tradition is huge and Ford has been cashing in on that. GM does not have a similar tradition. They could have a plan for using the LSx engines for racing applications, but the power of Cosowrth is huge and this category goes to Ford as well.

So I say it is Ford... I am affraid I am jinxing it.. and GM has made some nice moves recently - like Saturn - so I am somehat still on the fence about this .. but overall, Ford has a better bussiness case in making this move.

Igor
 
BUR_ZX3 said:
This post totally dropped off my radar.

Why?

Cuz I, like most of the world, care very VERY little about ******** that can drive around in a circle.


As for Not knowing who Dave Richards is.... I know VERY WELL who Dave Richards is... but thats not what was said... go back and look... it said Dave Richardson.



Put that in your pipe and go stare at the car on cinderblocks in the front yard.
You mean the most of the world that make NASCAR the most watched sport in this country?

Perhaps you just dislike it because you know you couldn't do it yourself...


Now put that in your little cigarette holder and go stare at your little pastel green Prius in the carport of the dinky little apartment you pay a fortune for.
 
Osiris said:
Now put that in your little cigarette holder and go stare at your little pastel green Prius in the carport of the dinky little apartment you pay a fortune for.
Its more of a puce color, than pastel.

in 2005, 74,385,000 tickets were sold to Major League Baseball Games.
NFL? 17,200,000 tickets.

Nascrap? USAToday estimated 7 Million. (no real acutal statistics are available... guess they can't count that high?)
 
igor2 said:
^^^interesting .. can you dig up NHL?
20,854,000 thus far 05-06

NBA? 21,521,000 05-06

ESPN has em all.. Except Nascrap.


An interesting point... :

California not to sell out? Don't be surprised if there are empty seats Sunday at California Speedway during the Auto Club 500, the first of two stops this year for the Nextel Cup Series in Fontana. This race probably won't sell out again no matter what the speedway's marketing team does.... Brian France, the CEO of NASCAR, said he is expecting a large turnout for Sunday's race in Fontana, but even he told the media at the Daytona 500 he wasn't anticipating a sellout. California Speedway's second Cup date seems to be safe for the time being, however. NASCAR officials want to ride the wave of excitement created by the Daytona 500 into their biggest market. There probably will be about 80,000 screaming NASCAR fans in the grandstands.(Orange County Register)(2-22-2006)

In a metro area of 10.000,000 you can't get over 80,000 fans? for an event that happens twice a year? Hell the average Tuesday night attendance at Dodger and Angel Games combined when they're both in town is 80,000, and thats on a TUESDAY!

Sounds WILDLY successful. :screwy:
 
TV Ratings.

The highest NASCAR race rating in '05 was 10.3 (meaning 10.3 Million viewers) for the Daytona 500. Cumulative television viewers in 2005 was 68.4 million.

The World Series on Fox's highest rating (higest single game) was 11.1. Exact numbers seem to be elusive, but Money magazine (money.cnn.com) had the NFL being the highest rated sport, followed by NASCAR. 42.1 Million people watched the Super Bowl, lets not forget.

Looking at Sports ratings for a couple weeks ago. the #2 event of the week was an NBA Playoff game (3.6 Million viewers) #3 was a FREAKING GOLF TOURNAMENT (3.595 Million) and Nascrap Busch series on Fox was Fourth with their 3.422 Million Viewers.


Number 1 you ask? 3.667 Million tuned in to WWE Smackdown.


http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272|||sports2,00.html
 
Osiris said:
You mean the most of the world that make NASCAR the most watched sport in this country?

Perhaps you just dislike it because you know you couldn't do it yourself...


Now put that in your little cigarette holder and go stare at your little pastel green Prius in the carport of the dinky little apartment you pay a fortune for.
He meant most of the world as in, the rest of the PLANET outside the US doesn't give a rats ass about NASCAR....

One F1 race has more people watching worldwide than all NASCAR fans through an entire season combined.......
 
igor2 said:
BUR

I loved the data you dug up until the WWE .. that just reminded me of what a country I live in..

thanks for the leg (click) work

Igor
And what is funny is the WWE is headquartered in New England, just outside of NYC and run by a bunch of “Pompous Opinionated Liberal Elitist Bastard” Although people here do watch and follow it, I think because they are headquartered here.
 
BUR_ZX3 said:
Sounds WILDLY successful. :screwy:
Gosh, Mr. Numbers Guy...

How many NFL, NBA, NHL, or major league baseball games are played every week? Every year? How many NASCAR races? Shall we work out viewers per event?

:rolleyes:

I swear, I really can't tell if you are really just that twisted or if you just enjoy getting a rise out of people.
 
Anyway back on topic....

My gut instinct is that GM will drop out, because I believe they're in a more precarious financial situation than Ford. I'm personally hoping it is Ford though, because it would be great to see some world-minded progression come out of them in this country.
 
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