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A five-litre poppet vavle engine tested on a dynomometer under the same loads and conditions at 5500 RPM produced 480 BHP and 454 foot pounds of torque. The maximum RPMs on the poppet valve engine was 5700 RPM; the Spherical Rotary Valve Engine in comparison reached 14,850 RPM
How about a 5.0L V-8 turning almost 15000 RPM?

Yes, please.

It begs for some sort of variable cam-phase or the equivalent.

Edit: This is bad-ass. Your valves and camshaft are now one assembly, probably lighter as well.
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sorry. the engine of the future will ditch the camshafts and have small solenoids operating each valve independantly in a constantly adjustable valve timing confuguration for maximum performance and/or fuel economy.

true story.
 
TXFO said:
sorry. the engine of the future will ditch the camshafts and have small solenoids operating each valve independantly in a constantly adjustable valve timing confuguration for maximum performance and/or fuel economy.

true story.
I agree. I would guess that eventually there will be some sort of 'electro-magneto-hydraulic' valve actuation system.
 
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TXFO said:
sorry. the engine of the future will ditch the camshafts and have small solenoids operating each valve independantly in a constantly adjustable valve timing confuguration for maximum performance and/or fuel economy.

true story.
yup my brother invented it. then i did a search and ford has a prototype. he was alittle upset
 
I love to see things like this.... always makes me think of how things don't need to be "conventional" . I guess that's why I'm studying to be an engineer. :screwy: :lol:
 
Coates has had a prototype of this valvetrain for over 15 years, I believe; long time, anyway.

It's still newsworthy, though, for each new generation. :D

And the electromagnetic poppets; I tripped on that one 10 years ago... daydreamed of hitting a key on a laptop and changing my engine's idle from smooth and fuel efficient to all-out big-cam nastiness for the crew standing in the parking lot at cruise night. :p

True story. :thumbup:
 
But once the technology became readily available, how many people would be impressed by a rough idle? ;)
 
This was trippin' from ten years ago... changing the duration, lift and lobe separation with this stuff fitted to a pushrod V8.

Would've been impressive then. LOL. And besides, big cams' idle always sounds bitchin'. :D

Gawd, I'm old... :what:

Now, it would be VTEC to teh MAX, yo!
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Flash!... :eek:

Don't forget that BMW has this sort of thing already in place in some their models' engines: there are no throttle bodies, or throttle butterflies.

The intake valves do the throttling; prolly with variable lift. I'd like to know exactly how that works so that I'm not guessing at it.

Of course this BMW throttle tech has nothing to do now with the Coates system... :p But this is still a great thread even though it's slid off the road and into the bushes...
 
Z63R said:
The intake valves do the throttling; prolly with variable lift. I'd like to know exactly how that works so that I'm not guessing at it.
It's called Valvetronic, and it does use variable lift. I've got no idea how they do it, though. :dunno:
 
Z63R said:
Flash!I'd like to know exactly how that works so that I'm not guessing at it.
BMW's Valvetronic engine is the world's first engine getting rid of throttle butterfly. What's the advantage ? BMW claimed it saves around 10% fuel compare with conventional engines.

To understand how throttleless engine save fuel, we must first know how our conventional engines work. When you floor down throttle pedal, you do not control the amount of fuel injection (which would have led to change of air-fuel mixture ratio hence misfire) but the amount of air running into the cylinders. Fuel injection system monitor the amount of air passing the throttle butterfly and then determine the corresponding amount of fuel needed. The more the throttle butterfly opens, the more air runs into the combustion chamber. This is how your throttle pedal control the engine. The below picture shows a conventional engine with throttle butterfly in the intake manifold.

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However, as you can see in the picture as well, at light throttle (when the car is running leisurely, down hill or at light load) the throttle butterfly partially or even nearly closes. Simultaneously, the pistons are still running, sucking air from the partially closed intake manifold. Needless to explain, the intake manifold between throttle and combustion chamber will become partial vacuum, resisting the sucking / pumping action of pistons. This waste energy. Engineers called this energy loss as "Pumping Loss". The slower the engine runs, the more the throttle butterfly closes, thus the more energy loss.

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Valvetronic mechanism get rid of throttle butterfly thus saves fuel, especially at lower rev. According to the EU combined test cycle consist of high speed and low speed running, the 1.8-litre Valvetronic engine used by 316ti Compact saves 10% fuel (at 53.3 mpg or 5.3 litre / 100 km). For those who regularly drive in city, the saving could be bigger. Moreover, unlike direct-injection (the most popular fuel-saving technology right now), it need not to drink low-sulphur gasoline.



Without throttle butterfly, how does it control the amount of air entering cylinders ? by controlling the lift of valve. Valvetronic is essentially a variable valve lift system acting on intake valves. Compare with conventional twin-cam engines with finger followers, it employs an additional eccentric shaft, an electric motor and several (one per valve) intermediate rocker arms (see picture). The motor control the angle of eccentric shaft, which rotate the angle hence depth of the intermediate rocker arms acting on finger followers, which in turn activate opening and closing of valves. If the rocker arms push deeper towards finger followers, the intake valves will have higher lift, vice-versa.

Now you might think about Honda's VTEC. Can Valvetronic use its variable lift to increase power like VTEC ? Sadly, Valvetronic is actually less efficient at high rev than conventional engines, let alone VTEC. As you can see, the camshaft drives the long intermediate rocker arms, in turn drive finger followers, this generates quite a lot of friction. Therefore the efficiency and refinement of Valvetronic engines drop rapidly at over 6,000 rpm. No wonder in the foreseeing future BMW will not equip its M-power engines with Valvetronic.
 
MattZTS said:
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yup my brother invented it. then i did a search and ford has a prototype. he was alittle upset

yep..niftiest part is then an ecu flash will let you adjust your cam profile as well as your spark/fuel.

you could have a dumbed down gas mileage profile that can swap to a bad ass full race profile, all with the touch of the throttle...
 
Based on the grammar, I'd say it was a quoted translation...

But, still, I agree: Thanks for posting that. :thumbup:
 
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