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bigdaddyzx3 said:
I'll give you that. But the sentiments he gave really don't apply to the west coast at all, big city or po-dunk little town.

Fact of the matter is, the view expressed were those of one person who lives in a very distinct type of area, trying to apply the views to "America", and it just doesn't work.
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Well no, I have never driven on the west coast so I cant speak for driving there. I have driven up and down the east cost so any of my personal experience is just east cost between Florida to Mass.

As for cali, I always dread a car with cali plates, when ever i see them here they all seem angry as hell, refuse to move out of anyones way, and love to flip the bird.

Also in cali do people love there cars, or the "freedom" of movement the provide. Once it becomes easier to get around without a car over a huge area I see peoples preference to drive drop off.
 
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rpvitiello said:
Also in cali do people love there cars, or the "freedom" of movement the provide. Once it becomes easier to get around without a car over a huge area I see peoples preference to drive drop off.
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Both. We've got all types here... Not to say your area isn't diverse, but we have all sorts of opinions and behaviors.

Clearly behaviors have been changing, as California has been consuming less fuel than in recent years, according to an article I read this morning.

Another example is "The City" (San Francisco)... Most folks in the bay area don't like to drive into San Francisco due to traffic concerns and hills. SoCal is just a nasty cluster of traffic, not sure how to work on that.

Personally, I don't really care how I get to work and back, as long as I've got my car when I get home. Financially they haven't made public transportation affordable enough... It would cost me $3172/yr to take the bus/train to work, and $1918 to drive/carpool like I do, including insurance and wear/tear to the vehicle. I'd venture to guess that "getting to work" is the only fuel-consumption related issue that we as a society really need to focus on to see insane improvements.
 
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OmniFocus said:
Another example is "The City" (San Francisco)... Most folks in the bay area don't like to drive into San Francisco due to traffic concerns and hills. SoCal is just a nasty cluster of traffic, not sure how to work on that.
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That reminds me of a quote from Futurama:

Leela: Did you drive back in the 20th century?
Fry: Nope. Nobody drove. Too much traffic.

:D
 
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rpvitiello said:
Well no, I have never driven on the west coast so I cant speak for driving there. I have driven up and down the east cost so any of my personal experience is just east cost between Florida to Mass.
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Yeah and since when is there any useful form of public transit in Florida???

Sorry RP but most of your comments in this thread may only work in the NORTHEast, not all of the East coast.
 
#25 ·
Thameth said:
Yeah and since when is there any useful form of public transit in Florida???

Sorry RP but most of your comments in this thread may only work in the NORTHEast, not all of the East coast.
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i never said there was public transit in Florida, just most people seam to drive because they have to, not because they want to. Also if Florida actually had decent transit more people would take it.

IMO driving in Florida (and most southern states) is an incredibly boring experience. Straight and flat roads that all look the same for miles. The only excitement is when an old person crashes for no apparent reason.
 
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rpvitiello said:
i never said there was public transit in Florida, just most people seam to drive because they have to, not because they want to. Also if Florida actually had decent transit more people would take it.

IMO driving in Florida (and most southern states) is an incredibly boring experience. Straight and flat roads that all look the same for miles. The only excitement is when an old person crashes for no apparent reason.
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Agreed, but you were talking about how your driving area from Mass-FL on the East Coast mainly uses public transport.

Honestly though other than peak rush hour times personal vehicles will always be faster down here than public transport, just too much time waiting for the public transport schedules.
 
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Thameth said:
Honestly though other than peak rush hour times personal vehicles will always be faster down here than public transport, just too much time waiting for the public transport schedules.
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that is because the system down there is very inefficent. Also you have almost no train lines down there for passengers, and the only train service i know of in florida is amtrack. When i took the auto train down there i could not believe how slow and inefficent it was! There were times we were doing 25mph on train tracks.

i am used to the trains up where they reduiced the speed in certain sections to 70mph because they are peforming updates to the power system because the wires are geting old, and once they are done the speed would go back up to normal.

Some of rural florida public transit would not work for, but for all the urbin areas that are being built up now, if you designs your citys well, with good public transit it would work fine.

If florida does not do something to control urbin sprall, and improve public transit though i would hate to drive in that state in 10-15 years. Traffic will be a nightmare. At that point i am sure peopel down there would be begging for public transit, and will be stuck with no good way to add it as an after thought.
 
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rpvitiello said:
that is because the system down there is very inefficent. Also you have almost no train lines down there for passengers, and the only train service i know of in florida is amtrack. When i took the auto train down there i could not believe how slow and inefficent it was! There were times we were doing 25mph on train tracks.

i am used to the trains up where they reduiced the speed in certain sections to 70mph because they are peforming updates to the power system because the wires are geting old, and once they are done the speed would go back up to normal.

Some of rural florida public transit would not work for, but for all the urbin areas that are being built up now, if you designs your citys well, with good public transit it would work fine.

If florida does not do something to control urbin sprall, and improve public transit though i would hate to drive in that state in 10-15 years. Traffic will be a nightmare. At that point i am sure peopel down there would be begging for public transit, and will be stuck with no good way to add it as an after thought.
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One of the worst parts too is that all public transport down here would have to be above ground, for some reason there's a stigma against above ground public trains and such. We also have whats called Tri-Rail which is a public train system down here and its also been a complete failure that barely gets used. Again because when you have such an open area the trains would have to be moving alot faster than traffic to be useful.
 
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Thameth said:
One of the worst parts too is that all public transport down here would have to be above ground, for some reason there's a stigma against above ground public trains and such. We also have whats called Tri-Rail which is a public train system down here and its also been a complete failure that barely gets used. Again because when you have such an open area the trains would have to be moving alot faster than traffic to be useful.
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“please arrive 20 minutes early” WTF so they expect you to spend 40 minutes of the day just waiting incase they cant follow the schedule. Here they suggest you arrive 5 minutes early. And that is mostly so you don’t get stuck in a crowd, not because of the service. There is too many transfers and connections that the system has to run like clockwork.

Also there is the trains service, but WTB oh I don’t know any other service for say busses. Nothing is integrated. Also you need something that is a rapid transit system IN cities. Not just long distance trains that cant get a schedule right.

This is what public transit is suppose to be like…

http://trips123.com/ That is the trip planning system for the tri-state area, like map quest for public transit.
 
#33 ·
Hey. :what:

This thread is about a new model Scion. Zip it.
:lol:




More pics, please; but if this car is simply a re-worked xA chassis/driveline, then, pass.
 
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I liked the xA quite alot, small sleek, but it really needed the 1.8L motor or at least 20 more hp to get it going. It was just too underpowered, it needed more Toyota support for hot rod parts. To me it looks ALOT like Toyota used the Fit as a template like for the xA, but failed to support it with more mods in the aftermarket. I always thought if they could get the xA to just about 2000 lbs, then they have quite a fun little car.
Now i'll just have to get my wife the Fit and out fit with the fun stuff.
-bix
 
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everything rp said applies only to the microcosm in which he exists. just like 90% of his posts.


young people here grow up (im)patiently waiting for the day they get their license and a car. No one here that isn't a transplant from somewhere else would rather ride public transportation.

Ride with someone else? Sure, because some people are just squeemish about driving in traffic, or are cheapskates.

Only people I know that hate driving are people who have a hard time managing complex tasks that change in real-time. Such as navigating traffic and road systems in a vehicle at speeds that would be lethal if you didn't watch what you're doing.

it doesn't help that so many parents spend so much time scaring their kids about how dangerous driving and traffic is. Luckily for me, I knew they were just trying to make me realize that I need to be careful, not scare me.
 
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sh0velman said:
everything rp said applies only to the microcosm in which he exists. just like 90% of his posts.
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I agree with you

Only people I know that hate driving are people who have a hard time managing complex tasks that change in real-time. Such as navigating traffic and road systems in a vehicle at speeds that would be lethal if you didn't watch what you're doing.
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Commuting to work every day (long distances or rides lasting over 45 minutes or so) would change your mind quick. I go about 22 miles each way to work and if I had a shorter ride to work I would love it, but I deal with it, but I don't hate driving, just wish I didn't have to do as much as I do.
 
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