Sweet!FocusSportVP said:We accept your challenge. :thumbup:
What are the stakes?
And if sponsors like us didn't help pay for this site to exist, you wouldn't have a place for discussions, so don't hate too much.
At the same time though, it doesn't give you complete control of the forum, etc. So don't abuse this "power." (I'm not saying you have or anything, don't get me wrong.)FocusSportVP said:And if sponsors like us didn't help pay for this site to exist, you wouldn't have a place for discussions, so don't hate too much.
Yes, and a good bit of the money you spend is on their experience and planning. I can't justify paying somebody to do something I could do myself, even if it meant putting a helluva lot more effort into it. Like I said before, that's half the fun.jdh0526 said:FS makes great turbo kits, for some, 4000 (or whatever it costs) is a bit much to pay you dont have the cash, but the hardware and the experience they give you is worth it, in my opinion.
Also true, but how much planning and researching did those guys do? I feel that if you put enough effort into it, do your homework, and not cut corners, you can build yourself a kit that's just as sound and reliable than any premade kit such as the FS one.jdh0526 said:
If you really know what you are doing, you can build one way better. They didnt go all out on their kit. Hell, people cant justify spending what they charge for it already, so imagine if it was all top quality stuff.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...we CAN build a $5,000+ turbo kit. And it would be "better." Trust me, its not hard to do. We can use the most absolute high end components and take it even further than we have. Will people buy it? Not many. And it would require a smaller manufacturing run because of that and that will also drive the price up.S6tech said:If you really know what you are doing, you can build one way better. They didnt go all out on their kit. Hell, people cant justify spending what they charge for it already, so imagine if it was all top quality stuff.
Hey, that timeslip challenge sounds like fun. I would go up against you two as well. Who else is in?
FocusSportVP said:Ya know its silly to say we overcharge for our turbo kit. You ought to just say its more than you want to pay or you can't afford it. Yes, you can make your own kit for less if you try hard enough, but its probably comprised of used parts. Or its made up of parts that look pretty rough. Or its parts from ebay that are knock-offs. Well, we can't and won't do that. You can't be a manufacturer and sell anything that resembles something that was made in a DIYers garage - it just won't jive with customers. If people want to go that route, cool, but businesses have to do things differently. If we're gonna put our name on it, its not something that we want our customers to be unboxing and saying, "oh, huh well I guess this is good enough but..."
Show me a DIY kit that is comparable to our kit in performance, fit, reliability, finish, and quality and I'll show you a DIY kit that costs the same or more than ours. And don't forget the cost of having it tuned.
And will you be able to make at least 215 whp and 220 wtq on a 2.0 litre Duratec and not have to sweat bullets? Will you be able to drive the piss out of it across the country and tear it up on the track and not freak out the entire time? Like many things in life, when it comes to turbo kits, you get what you pay for. A few like netdragoon seem to have a firm understanding of this and still choose to do it there own way and I applaud them, but some here just don't get it. :shakeshead:
Disclaimer: If you ( anyone, not just eshaw ) read this and it pissed you off, sorry, but once in a while I like to say what I'm thinking instead of just mumbling it and walking away from my desk. Its not that uncommon for me to read jetters talking about our kit being overpriced or a rip off and I just strongly disagree.
Dude, you're totally missing the part where we tell them to DO THE RESEARCH, ETC. We're not telling them to go out and buy a bunch of parts to make a turbo kit and install it. We're/I'm telling them to research the stuff beforehand. Learn what exactly a turbo does and how it does it. Then pick the correct turbo given the size of their engine and expected output. Research what makes it safe: intercooler, what kind, what size, etc., cooling, fuel management, tuning, etc. If they do all of this right and put enough time and effort into it, they won't have a POS pieced together kit. They'll have a well-though-out and reliable kit given they get a good enough tune.focuspl99 said:
No, it's not do some research and BAM! YOU'RE done. You do have to know what you're doing when you get under the hood, but a complete noob can still manage to pull it off with the right amount of help. There's plenty of write-ups of builds and installs to at least get someone started, and I'd like to think that if he gets stuck while installing something, he can just call FS or some other reputable company and they'd steer him in the right direction.focuspl99 said:
fofofan24 said:so im gonna do this turbo thing and am gonna go buy part by part rather than everything at once and was wondering if anyone did it this way and may have a list of EVERYTHING needed from the guages to the turbo that was used for the turbo that i could put a list together and check off as i go
-thanks
