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Love love LOVE the blue. I am a bit partial to it though hehe. I won't be buying a new one as i just bought my fiesta in march, but I will be purchasing a used one once I get the fiesta paid off. It just looks incredible in blue mmmmmm:wub:

I for one don't really care if it will "beat a wrx in a straight line or around a track" it's not about how fast you can go, it's about having a car that is the complete package and enjoyable to drive on a daily basis. I think in this field, the Focus ST will fare quite well.


- mike
Exactly, if the only criteria for buying a car was to be faster than the other guy we'd all be driving Ferraris and living in cardboard boxes.

I buy cars because I like the car I'm buying, not because it's faster than something else.
 
Different strokes for different folks.

The GTI is very popular and has nowhere near the output of its contemporaries.

It isn't foolish to buy a car down on power from its rivals if it pushes the right buttons. I don't think that saying makes any sense in this application.
 
Note I said that if it were completely out of it's league. Meaning that if acceleration and handling were sub par as compared to the competition (it won't be) then people would be foolishs to buy it

I'm certain it will be one of the best handling FWD cars ever made which is what matters most to me. i'm also certain that it won't be a slouch in the acceleration dept.

My S2 on thad 130 hp and I loved it for the way it handled and wrong out tha 130 hp which is why I'm not worried about the ST falling short.
 
On such a "specialty" vehicle, why can't they just slap an LSD in there? Maybe I missed someone's brilliant explanation...

I know they are costly to put in a C-Segment vehicle... but it deserves one, torque-steer and all, no?
Could be precisely because of those reasons. It costs more to put one into the car when the computer controlled, ABS-biased power through the stock open diff might work okay-ish and is essentially free. That and while I'd take one any day over an electronic brake-lock type limited slip feature, depending on the chassis and more specifically suspension geometry a true torque biasing diff can amplify torque steer. And having a high powered and unruly front driver doesn't make the selling proposition any easier for the automakers (at least for most consumers in that market segment ;) ).
 
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Could be precisely because of those reasons. It costs more to put one into the car when the computer controlled, ABS-biased power through the stock open diff might work okay-ish and is essentially free. That and while I'd take one any day over an electronic brake-lock type limited slip feature, depending on the chassis and more specifically suspension geometry a true torque biasing diff can amplify torque steer. And having a high powered and unruly front driver doesn't make the selling proposition any easier for the automakers (at least for most consumers in that market segment ;) ).

Yeah... that's more or less what I thought, but thanks for the thorough explanation.:thumbup:

... and I know nothing of torque steering unruly high-powered front wheel drive cars of doom...:lol:
 
True, true but I want it to be able to keep pace too. If the new Focus was completely out of its league as compared to the competition, I wouldn't buy it. A fool and his money as the saying goes.
By that rational a lot of BMW, Lotus and Mini owners should have bought an SVT Focus :D

In dealing with you guys I've heard innumerable accounts of near stock SVTs running circles around MUCH more expensive cars at track days.

0-60 and 1/4 mile times aren't the last word in what a car can actually do in the real world.

The new ST should more than hold it's own against it's competition.


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By that rational a lot of BMW, Lotus and Mini owners should have bought an SVT Focus :D

In dealing with you guys I've heard innumerable accounts of near stock SVTs running circles around MUCH more expensive cars at track days.

0-60 and 1/4 mile times aren't the last word in what a car can actually do in the real world.

The new ST should more than hold it's own against it's competition.


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While a lot of that has to do with driver skill, I tend to agree with you. A good car is not all about the numbers on paper.
 
The probably should have though through my own autocross exp, My S2 couldn't compete with the Mini, period. Don't know what the SVT was capable of, but the Mini was out of my league.
I chased around a MINI with my SVT the entire time I owned it... when Ford bought it back thats why I went over to MINI :evilgrin:
 
I look at it this way, the better the competition does the more Ford has to step up to compete. I'm OK with the focus being near the back of the pack for the past few years because that got us where we are today with the entirely new Focus platform. Seems like a good trade IMO.
 
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Chased... could never beat... got close a few times....
Now that you are in a Mini, do you find that you can better compete against like vehiculars?
 
Speaking of cars with low numbers on paper that end up being more than the sum of their parts: The MINI.

Expensive for its segment, not astronomical numbers.... but a seriously fun and desirable machine.

I'd even take a regular Cooper, and they START at $20.1k now.
 
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