how do you guys think some yokohama S.drive's would look on a set of Motegi Racing MR221? i was looking at 17x8 for the wheels and either 215-35-17 or 205-35-17 for the tires?
Strech?
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by this definition, the lack of a lip protector on certain tires "at square" and well within spec, would be stretched.
we have some Yokohama slicks where the wheel lip protrudes well past the outside of the wall of the tire... your definition classifies that as stretched!? i have some michelin and bridgestone street tires on a customer cars with the same lack of lip protector... again, stretched? :dunno:
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oh i do, and it's not splitting hairs, it's pointing out flaws in logic.
i also know the 215/40/17s T1-S's that i had on my 17x9 RH's had a lip protector that still covered the lips (past the lips in fact), yet were still visually stretched (similar to those fuzions on the 8s) and also past the max on spec as per the manufacturer. again, by your definition, this would NOT be stretched?! :dunno: if i put those same RT615s from the above pic on the wheel in 12" width, the lip protector would still cover the lips even though the tire is stretched past spec... again, your definition suggests otherwise. :dunno:
no offense but your definitions are somewhat arbitrary and are very open to interpretation based on variables like differing construction between features, sizes, models and brands and/or cheap/sheety vs quality tires even wheel features can play into the equation. they are, almost entirely setup based off your "opinion" on the subject vs anything concrete and utterly definable.
this is what i'm getting at, there is nothing arbitrary about "over spec."
it is or it isn't.
she's preggers or she's not.
it's dead or alive.
it's black or white.
your "definitions" is all shades of grey... :dunno:
a tire can be past spec(stretched) and at the same time, possibly not visually stretched. conversely a tire can be within spec and yet look visually stretched )those Fuzions). this because it is a term relating to specs, something finite, not something interpretive. this is where a correct definition matters.
the fuzion ZR1 could be considered "a tire that gives you the stretched look while staying legal." although i'd be far more comfortable on my stretched past spec Toyo's or Conti's than on an "in spec tire" that looked like those fuzions! :lol:
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i also know the 215/40/17s T1-S's that i had on my 17x9 RH's had a lip protector that still covered the lips (past the lips in fact), yet were still visually stretched (similar to those fuzions on the 8s) and also past the max on spec as per the manufacturer. again, by your definition, this would NOT be stretched?! :dunno: if i put those same RT615s from the above pic on the wheel in 12" width, the lip protector would still cover the lips even though the tire is stretched past spec... again, your definition suggests otherwise. :dunno:
no offense but your definitions are somewhat arbitrary and are very open to interpretation based on variables like differing construction between features, sizes, models and brands and/or cheap/sheety vs quality tires even wheel features can play into the equation. they are, almost entirely setup based off your "opinion" on the subject vs anything concrete and utterly definable.
this is what i'm getting at, there is nothing arbitrary about "over spec."
it is or it isn't.
she's preggers or she's not.
it's dead or alive.
it's black or white.
your "definitions" is all shades of grey... :dunno:
a tire can be past spec(stretched) and at the same time, possibly not visually stretched. conversely a tire can be within spec and yet look visually stretched )those Fuzions). this because it is a term relating to specs, something finite, not something interpretive. this is where a correct definition matters.
the fuzion ZR1 could be considered "a tire that gives you the stretched look while staying legal." although i'd be far more comfortable on my stretched past spec Toyo's or Conti's than on an "in spec tire" that looked like those fuzions! :lol:
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there is a legality aspect to it as well...
people need to understand that if you are "stretching a tire" you are going past the approved rim range and thus, in some areas have performed an illegal modification. this can void warranties, insurance and even hold you liable for damages and injuries as a result of such a modification. this is, again, where the industry standard definition comes into play.
if you're tire looks stretched but is within specs, rock on! although you're not any "safer," you're legally covered now! :thumbup:
yes, homework needs to be done no matter what! but the understanding of what you are doing and what you are getting needs to be there as well.
people are generally stupid, panicy, irrational creatures.
i'm of the mind that if they look at things correctly with the RIGHT info then they can make and informed decision. if they info they use to make a decision is based on speculation and opinion then regardless of the outcome that have not made an "informed decision." the more grey area you add into the equation the easier it is for the truth to get lost in noise.
i'd rather be seen as a dick that gives people the correct and honest info than a nice guy who posts a friendly opinions based not entirely in fact, truth or logic.
this is why the definition of SPEC and not looks is what really matters.
everyone would be better off to understand and accept this for their own good and then do whatever they want after that! :lol:
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people need to understand that if you are "stretching a tire" you are going past the approved rim range and thus, in some areas have performed an illegal modification. this can void warranties, insurance and even hold you liable for damages and injuries as a result of such a modification. this is, again, where the industry standard definition comes into play.
if you're tire looks stretched but is within specs, rock on! although you're not any "safer," you're legally covered now! :thumbup:
yes, homework needs to be done no matter what! but the understanding of what you are doing and what you are getting needs to be there as well.
people are generally stupid, panicy, irrational creatures.
i'm of the mind that if they look at things correctly with the RIGHT info then they can make and informed decision. if they info they use to make a decision is based on speculation and opinion then regardless of the outcome that have not made an "informed decision." the more grey area you add into the equation the easier it is for the truth to get lost in noise.
i'd rather be seen as a dick that gives people the correct and honest info than a nice guy who posts a friendly opinions based not entirely in fact, truth or logic.
this is why the definition of SPEC and not looks is what really matters.
everyone would be better off to understand and accept this for their own good and then do whatever they want after that! :lol:
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I read the first sentence and gave up :lol:
This is stretched:
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This is not:
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Not because math, or Euopeans, or Santa Claus says so. It's because I can look at it and say one of them is and one of them isn't. There really isn't more to it than that Mitch no matter how many 500 word posts you make.
This is stretched:
This is not:
Not because math, or Euopeans, or Santa Claus says so. It's because I can look at it and say one of them is and one of them isn't. There really isn't more to it than that Mitch no matter how many 500 word posts you make.
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Haha. You quoted the wrong person for that.Is that you Turbo Tom?
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I would agree with Nick here it it looks stretched, its pry stretched. It wouldn't always work with mathmatics of a tire size to rim ratio because different tires have different fitments. That means there's no constant.
Generally yes, a ratio could work but not always. In the case of the VW posted for instance. I say its stretched.
Generally yes, a ratio could work but not always. In the case of the VW posted for instance. I say its stretched.
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Nick,
There is lots of room for interpretation with the industry def as far as looks go, but with your definition(s) it's all interpretation and ignores the legal aspect.
Do you honestly not see the flaw here?
I dunno, this seems to be the only site that doesn't get this... :dunno:
There is lots of room for interpretation with the industry def as far as looks go, but with your definition(s) it's all interpretation and ignores the legal aspect.
Do you honestly not see the flaw here?
Notice he doesn't say "stretched" and yet there is visually more far stretch than a tire past spec which still would probably not show much if any visual stretch.macleanshaun said:
I dunno, this seems to be the only site that doesn't get this... :dunno:
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So what you're saying is that a tire might be stretched and not show stretch, but its stretched. And a tire might not be stretched and show stretch, but its not stretched. A tire that is stretched, shows stretch and is stretched isn't stretched. But what about the ones that show stretch while being stretched to the point that their stretched? Are those not stretched? Stretched.
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lol, this quite fun really.
ACTUALLY...
What Nick is saying is that a tire might be stretched yet doesn't show lip, so it isn't stretched. And a tire might not be stretched yet shows lip, so it is stretched. A tire that isn't stretched, shows lip and could be stretched in a different tire brand, is stretched.... all regardless of specs.
by Nicks logic, a fake intercooler and no turbo connected to it must also = turbo'ed car! it looks like it has a turbo, ergo, it has a turbo! a turbo car with a hidden setup must not be a turbo'd car! i cannot see the turbo, ergo, it has no turbo! :lol:
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soooo simple:
"stretched" = out of spec, with or without angled sidewalls, technically not legal
"looks stretched" (aka: past square) = in spec ,with angled sidewalls, perfectly legal
"Pinched" = out of spec, with or without angled sidewalls, technically not legal
"looks pinched" (aka: over square) = in spec, with angled sidewalls, perfectly legal
this definition allows more flexibility with the term and a better understanding of what is actually happening. this lends itself to a better understanding of the differences between makes/models of tires and how they look/fit.
go to a tire shop, ask if they stretch tires.
if they say no, ask why.
99% of the time: "we wont put tires on wheels larger than approved rim widths."
NOT: "we don't put tires on correct width wheels with ****** side walls!"
Feel me brah?!
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ACTUALLY...
What Nick is saying is that a tire might be stretched yet doesn't show lip, so it isn't stretched. And a tire might not be stretched yet shows lip, so it is stretched. A tire that isn't stretched, shows lip and could be stretched in a different tire brand, is stretched.... all regardless of specs.
by Nicks logic, a fake intercooler and no turbo connected to it must also = turbo'ed car! it looks like it has a turbo, ergo, it has a turbo! a turbo car with a hidden setup must not be a turbo'd car! i cannot see the turbo, ergo, it has no turbo! :lol:
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soooo simple:
"stretched" = out of spec, with or without angled sidewalls, technically not legal
"looks stretched" (aka: past square) = in spec ,with angled sidewalls, perfectly legal
"Pinched" = out of spec, with or without angled sidewalls, technically not legal
"looks pinched" (aka: over square) = in spec, with angled sidewalls, perfectly legal
this definition allows more flexibility with the term and a better understanding of what is actually happening. this lends itself to a better understanding of the differences between makes/models of tires and how they look/fit.
go to a tire shop, ask if they stretch tires.
if they say no, ask why.
99% of the time: "we wont put tires on wheels larger than approved rim widths."
NOT: "we don't put tires on correct width wheels with ****** side walls!"
Feel me brah?!
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