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#21 ·
Not just me! All the admins. I'm just the one pressing the buttons. LOL
 
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#22 ·
SVT3658 said:
You know what they say about opinions :p But seriously, you can argue this any which way, and there is no clear "winner" ... it will boil down to where Casey decides to put it.
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Yeah, the opinions of women are generally more sound and grounded than most. I hear ya. :p
 
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I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like myself, but.... I rather like the ability to divide the erm... "alternate" suspension advice from the functional suspension advice.

...and the more divided the better. :lol:
 
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OmniFocus said:
I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like myself, but.... I rather like the ability to divide the erm... "alternate" suspension advice from the functional suspension advice.

...and the more divided the better. :lol:
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I agree with you. Its like wearing a shirt. I'd rather get the tailor to tell me how to make it fit properly than a guy who thinks his shirt looks cool tell everyone else how it should look.
 
#26 ·
There has been many good points brought up here. The placement was wrong and I realize changes had to start somewhere. I agree with Josh, it does not belong in the suspension sub-forum. Many of us, the people in stance, are running suspension setups that are NOT desirable for any other reason but our own. Coilovers at full low, no adjusters/isolators in the rear, cutting bump stops, cutting dead coils. Looking at it you can say all that is a reason to keep it in suspension, but to be honest, the things we're doing to our suspensions SHOULD NOT be shared and opened with welcome arms unless you seriously know what you're doing. The extent of our suspension "mods" is just to find ways to get as low as possible, not much thought about the actual geometry and improving the ride quality at said heights. As Josh said we put way more thought into our wheels. I mean we have people running 9"+ wide wheels with NO camber adjustment or rolled fenders. Wheels/Tires makes more sense, but Tire Rack does not cater to what the stance needs as it's not practical for most. I realize they just sponsor it, but they majority of the stance-knowledgeable left and went to the newly created stance sub-forum and we welcome newcomers with open arms. As Josh said, if you need people to better facilitate and moderate said sub-forum from the riff raff, etc., there are members that would be willing to step up. I am not saying "put it back", but I do agree it should not be hidden in suspension as many of us couldn't even find it. Hope this all gets sorted out soon and goodluck with the changes.

-Matt
 
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OmniFocus said:
I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like myself, but.... I rather like the ability to divide the erm... "alternate" suspension advice from the functional suspension advice.

...and the more divided the better. :lol:
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Agreed, the more divided from your "Because Racecar" mentality the better the Stance forum would be because obviously this change is pretty unpopular and not working now and quite frankly was better left where it was but many of you already know my thoughts on this.
 
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Is there anyway that we can make it so that posts in the Stance area do not make it appear that there are new posts in Suspension? The [FJ] logo going red next to Suspension because someone wants to know if they can fit 195s on 9" wide wheels with a 6" drop is kind of annoying.
 
#32 ·
Sure, we can put it back where it belongs.

It's a simple fix and I'm honestly not sure why it hasn't been done already.
 
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#34 ·
The fact that Stance is the "Performance" section of this site when it is the very antithesis of that should warrant moving it. It should be a sub-forum of exterior mods.
 
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teamDFL said:
The fact that Stance is the "Performance" section of this site when it is the very antithesis of that should warrant moving it. It should be a sub-forum of exterior mods.
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Get your panties out of a bunch, it's not ruining your life. Also, your derogatory comments and general snobbery towards another sect of the very same community that you're a member of is far more annoying than a little box lighting up red before you think it should could ever be. There are some of us who do still enjoy the Hell out of driving our cars, and you simply cannot knock driving a low car until you've done it. It's not ruined, it's not horrible, and it's not a death sentence. It may not corner on par with a racecar; but it's not a racecar. My car still handles like it's on rails and it still goes wherever I need it to; it just looks a bit better than most while it does it.

Honestly, this whole thread is kind of ridiculous to me. It's a forum, I'm sure it will get worked out. I'f I'm not happy with the result, I will deal with it. Since it is a forum.
 
#37 ·
I cannot knock a low car until I have done it? Should I apply that logic to jumping off a cliff? I think not.

Face it, this whole stance thing is no different than the underbody neon and big wing stupidity of ten years ago. It is a bad fad that will soon be forgotten. The majority of people who like it now will get out of it when something new comes along. There are certain parts of the car enthusiast hobby that have endured and will continue to do so. Stance isn't one of them. The fact that this forum is overrun with this mentality currently is sad. But like all bad fads before it, this too will pass.

And yes, I am a snob. If that annoys you, I don't care. You and most others who are part of this trend are the folks intelligent enthusiasts everywhere ridicule as ignorant. Same as they do for the 26" wheel crowd, the FnF kiddies, and the custom van crowd.

You are right about one thing: it is just a forum.
 
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You and most others who are part of this trend are the folks intelligent enthusiasts everywhere ridicule as ignorant.
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Intelligent enthusiasts? What exactly makes an enthusiast "intelligent" ?


Before you generalize and sling insults about intelligence based on the suspension and wheel/tire combo someone chooses to install on a car.............You should look into who the "stancers" actually are. There are more than a few of us who are in school for engineering and/or have graduated with degrees in engineering.


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You misunderstand. I am not judging intelligence based on what you do to your car. What I am saying is that those enthusiasts who I know to be intelligent mostly regard the stance crowd as ignorant. And it isn't hard to see why. You see extreme camber which is neither functional nor asthetically pleasing. There are wheels not centered in their wells. There are many examples of modifications that are unsafe. It is held in the same regard as under body neon and other fads that were most popular with people who do not know much about cars. Right or wrong, that is the view of stance.
 
#40 ·
No Rich, that is YOUR view. There is just as much ignorance on your part assuming that every car that is "stanced" looks like this:

http://noriyaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/noriyaro_kawashima_celica_nagoya_002.jpg

In this case you are correct, extreme camber is neither functional nor aesthetically pleasing. In fact, the only thing this car is good for is making fun of IMO.

How about this? A car with 195s on an 8" wheel up front and 205s on a 9" out back. I'm not sure many, even those outside of the realm of understanding that those are pretty narrow for wheels of that size, would think it looks bad.

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Stance isn't always about running crazy camber, or being the lowest, or fitting 20" wide wheels. Its about taking a wheel that wouldn't normally "fit" and making it functional... yes, I used the F word.

With that said, I think the back an forth here has run its course. It's been said many times, we all want the same thing here. More changes will be coming soon, hopefully it works out that everyone here is happy.
 
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