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#325 ·
COSVT03 said:
I'm going to Map Proving Grounds :) The Car is going too...
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You racing or just going to watch.
Race, we have to line up.
Watch, we'll figure something out. I really want to see if these cams are worth it for me. $1,600 on a whim is hard to stomach.

I'm trying to save some money and doing the Sunday event only. HPDE and SS. --> https://www.motorsportreg.com/index...fm/event/event.advert/uidEvent/8044AB8A-B24F-156C-52309FC284BDB8AE#.UiO2W1OuKM8
Haven't registered yet though just in case the car breaks in the next few days. Just got it back together and still tuning it. All looks like it'll hold together. Just have to remount my battery.


Not that I'll stand out there but, I'm taller and have a longish beard. Names John.
 
#328 · (Edited)
"Ginger", as we so happily call Chris' car had quite the eventful weekend at Modern Automotive Performance's Proving Grounds event at the Brainerd International Raceway in Brainerd, MN. Any time you can go to an event like this, post up some times, turn some heads, have some fun AND bring the car home in one piece is a good weekend!

Pictures AND videos to come!

First up was the 1/4 mile drag; Chris' car is not set up for a drag competition, but when ahead anyway. If I recall, the 3 runs and opponents where as follows: vs. a Mazda 6 a 16.2, vs. a Grand Prix a 16.5 and against the turbo Accord a 17.0. You beat every car off the line, and had a better reaction time, but as we talked about, you have a dead space in your power band, and the car doesn't really start to wind up until 1/2 way down the track.

Up next was the autocross: Out of six runs, one of them having the shifter linkage come loose and another where "Mr. Grey shirt" happened to stroll onto the autocross course, your best run was 30.476! I very, VERY decent and respectable time, as 75% of the cars in the autocross where running mid to late 30's.

Road Course: unfortunately due to the rain we had ALL day on Sunday, the road course event wasn't as exciting as it could have been. With three 20 minute sessions on the track, the best time was 2:19 seconds. The day prior, when it was dry, most cars ran in the 2:00 to 2:10 timeframe, so after discussing with some raceway instructors you can shave off approximately 8-9 seconds due to the wet conditions, putting you right in the line up!

A great weekend for the car, and for the Focus crew that showed up to root Chris on: Matt (LOADED), Rick (Litestorm17) and myself (MCPunk79) were all in attendance to help, ride and cheer on that little orange hatchback it raced it's way to glory!!! We look forward to the next time we can attend an event, and see just where the car will end up next...

Thanks again Chris for a fun filled, action packed weekend!!
 
#329 ·
Looking at the 1/4 times and seeing the car run in person, IMO it's much more than a simple deadspot in the tune. I'd say it's the entire tune.
On a bad tune I can still run a mid/high 15 1/4 mile. Good tune and you can cut a second off that. Which means you can cut 2 seconds off Chris's time (if not more).
So, I don't like talking bad about tuners but DB really seems to have dropped the ball on this one.
 
#331 ·
Im guessing that miss in the power band is the need for more air. Maybe get rid of the dsi intake and go to one like topspeed or nerp. Sounds like its being choked until really high rpm.
 
#332 ·
FordFociSHO said:
Looking at the 1/4 times and seeing the car run in person, IMO it's much more than a simple deadspot in the tune. I'd say it's the entire tune.
On a bad tune I can still run a mid/high 15 1/4 mile. Good tune and you can cut a second off that. Which means you can cut 2 seconds off Chris's time (if not more).
So, I don't like talking bad about tuners but DB really seems to have dropped the ball on this one.
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What size tires and wheels are you running, I wasn't there but I'd assume Chris was on his 17s.
 
#333 ·
Chris was running Michelin Pilot Super Sports... on his stock rims. The tune is basically setup to make the car run, kind of like a "limp mode". His AFR ran anywhere from 11's to 14's throughout the event... Chris can chime in on where his numbers are, but once the tune is set up for the motor and what it's capable of... watch out!!! He's looking to have it done possibly this winter, as time and money allows.

During one of the drag runs, the shifter linkage came loose again.... pretty sure that was when it ran a 17.0
 
#334 ·
FORDSVTPARTS said:
What size tires and wheels are you running, I wasn't there but I'd assume Chris was on his 17s.
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Early MTX-75, stock fat 6's W/ 215/45's. MPH'd near 96. My problem is/was I was bouncing off the limiter the last ~150'. I raised my limiter to 8.5K and I'll have to see if that helps or hurts. Shifting to 4th I loose 3/10ths.
So I either need a 4.06 or taller tires, or both. Stretching that 3rd gear really helps.

Granted SVT gears are different. But even still, slower than stock SVT really says the tune is for **** IMO.


'Basically Limp Mode', to me that leaves a lot unsaid. I've built and tuned my car myself. I know the in's and out's of the ECU rather well. But seeing a datalog is key here.

But the one thing I have found out over the years is this, don't trust the factory O2's. If you have a good WBO2, use the analog out to supply the data to the ECU. It's impressive how much better the car runs. Or you have to tune the factory O2's 'response'; which can be daunting.
 
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Okay - The tune is setup - the AFR's are FINE I run PIG rich at 10-11:1 on throttle. The reason I call it a limp tune is because timing is ONLY adjusted and by only a few degrees at 5-8k and even then, only a couple degrees. There is NO PINGING and the car runs just fine. I drove it 2 hours there and 2 hours back.

Stop all this bull**** speculation and complaining.
You are correct - a stock SVT runs the quarter mile faster - but at an 1/8th mile up - I would walk over an SVT - as been done so MULTIPLE times.
The dead spot in the tune was lack of timing. Has nothing to do with the air or intake velocity. :) I promise.
The purpose of this weekend was to see where I needed the most work done on the tune :) and now I know. It was an absolute blast.

Also - 8.5k on stock internals for a zetec is going to throw a rod. Those rods are ONLY safe up to 7250 rpm. And that is the MAX SAFE value. Not even the true SAFE value. (Value=RPM)

The turn coming around the pits ran me through the entire 1000 rpm dead spot - but if you would of stayed for a while you would of seen me catch MULTIPLE cars coming into the stretch in front of the pits.

ALSO - STOP Suggesting parts to swap out. I'm maximizing the STOCK motor. Nothing more.
 
#339 ·
FordFociSHO said:
Early MTX-75, stock fat 6's W/ 215/45's. MPH'd near 96. My problem is/was I was bouncing off the limiter the last ~150'. I raised my limiter to 8.5K and I'll have to see if that helps or hurts. Shifting to 4th I loose 3/10ths.
So I either need a 4.06 or taller tires, or both. Stretching that 3rd gear really helps.

Granted SVT gears are different. But even still, slower than stock SVT really says the tune is for **** IMO.


'Basically Limp Mode', to me that leaves a lot unsaid. I've built and tuned my car myself. I know the in's and out's of the ECU rather well. But seeing a datalog is key here.

But the one thing I have found out over the years is this, don't trust the factory O2's. If you have a good WBO2, use the analog out to supply the data to the ECU. It's impressive how much better the car runs. Or you have to tune the factory O2's 'response'; which can be daunting.
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8500???

What oil pump are you running?
 
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