right now i have roughly four bills to put into my focus...what's the best bet? h&r's and an intake or what??? help me out...this will be my first real mods
twilightblue
if u want power i would start with an intake esslingers is supposed to come out monday. price sub 300
if style is ur game i would start with the lowering springs here u got a couple options. Eibach 1.2in drop H&R 1.5in drop Progress 1.8in drop.
If its stick a lot of people like the short shifters.
With 400 hundred u could get both the short shifter and the springs excluding install.
if style is ur game i would start with the lowering springs here u got a couple options. Eibach 1.2in drop H&R 1.5in drop Progress 1.8in drop.
If its stick a lot of people like the short shifters.
With 400 hundred u could get both the short shifter and the springs excluding install.
i personally think the best 1st engine mod is the UDP.
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www.club-focus.net
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does the udp affect the air conditioning performance or will i not notice it? how much and how much to install?
i already took that box off the side of the airbox and drilled 4 1" holes in it...that yielded small but noticable power and great sound...will an intake give me more than that?
in regards to ur ac questions at idle u may notice a slight lose in fan speed at and engine speed above 2000rpm it will be exactly the same. Install should take a good installer about an hour.(I'm not shur on this i did mine myself and was screwing around with my friends alot. Esslinger is about $115
my first mods were jba headers and an esslinger udp. I put the headers in myself (a dramatic bitch. see "2 WORDS!" topic. the udp, however, I will have installed. I just ahve to call a local shop to check on prices. I wouldn't estimate any more than about $60.
the headers give noticeable gain through the band (at least I've noticed it). the UDP is reported to do the same. can't wait!
btw, I got both thru modern performance and to my door it was a little over $450. however, I don't know if their price went up for the headers, so I'd act now before they do. if it has, there's always focussport and others!
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
the headers give noticeable gain through the band (at least I've noticed it). the UDP is reported to do the same. can't wait!
btw, I got both thru modern performance and to my door it was a little over $450. however, I don't know if their price went up for the headers, so I'd act now before they do. if it has, there's always focussport and others!
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
AFX UDP for $105 and a FocusSport CoolFlo for $200. Use the rest of the money to go cruisin' and enjoy the power increase.
Tony D
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Save your money and buy the Ford intake Manifold when it comes out, or if you have a Manual Transmission car, get some nice(not regrinds) cams. Just because everybody else gets Intakes and exhausts first doesn't mean it should be one of those necessities you have to have on a bone-stock car. Case in point: my friend has an Integra GSR. It runs high 13's in the quarter. The engine has high compression slugs ,has a fuel pressure riser ,upgraded fuel pump, and Type-R cams. That's it! No aftermarket exhaust, or aftermarket intake. So it's not a loud annoying 16 second car. Get what I mean? You're suppose to start from the inside out. Engine first, then all the other stuff last.
How would you like to be at a light and a stock Focus pulls up next to you. You have exhaust(you know that deep annoying one) and your joe-cool intake w/snow cone filter at the end with it's so called cool-flo system. You rev at him. All he hears is this burbling garbage sound as you rev your so called Modified car. Then the light turns green. Before you get your chance to lift your foot off the clutch, he's already a car-length ahead of you. Strangely enough, there's no sound whatsoever! What did I do wrong? You say. So this time you try to get at him while you're rolling and pass him, only to see him quietly pass you by. Of course your convinced he's squeezing or has a Turbo or something, because you can't believe a Bone-stock Focus just beat up on your "Modified" car! You ask him to pull-over to check his ride. You ask him to pop his hood and he agrees. Your startled since you see no filter, chrome valve cover or aftermarket wires. Then you check everywhere for the NOs solenoids and fittings. Nothing! So you ask him, what's the deal? He says...what do you mean? My car is stock! it's your driving buddy!
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How would you like to be at a light and a stock Focus pulls up next to you. You have exhaust(you know that deep annoying one) and your joe-cool intake w/snow cone filter at the end with it's so called cool-flo system. You rev at him. All he hears is this burbling garbage sound as you rev your so called Modified car. Then the light turns green. Before you get your chance to lift your foot off the clutch, he's already a car-length ahead of you. Strangely enough, there's no sound whatsoever! What did I do wrong? You say. So this time you try to get at him while you're rolling and pass him, only to see him quietly pass you by. Of course your convinced he's squeezing or has a Turbo or something, because you can't believe a Bone-stock Focus just beat up on your "Modified" car! You ask him to pull-over to check his ride. You ask him to pop his hood and he agrees. Your startled since you see no filter, chrome valve cover or aftermarket wires. Then you check everywhere for the NOs solenoids and fittings. Nothing! So you ask him, what's the deal? He says...what do you mean? My car is stock! it's your driving buddy!
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Do the UDP and go from there.
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2000 ZX3 Kona Edition
Wings West Kit | Mirror Tint | Indiglo Gauges | Clear Corners | 2 PPI 12" | Kenwood 600w amp | Esslinger UDP | AEM Intake
My Site | Pics of My Z
let's analyze this... a GSR that pulls high 13's in the 1320? don't misunderstand me when I say this - I honestly and completely mean to be as sarcastic as I can. the GSR, as far as I understand it, runs a mid-high 14 sec (maybe low 15s with a full tank of gas) STOCK! I don't know the torque aspects, but it's got 170hp and it's redline is in the 8000 range. dual overhead cams, and vtec. you make it sound as though he got a crap car to run circles around the competition by adding maybe a $1000 in stuff (don't remember much of the pricing of honda/acura stuff anymore). the cams alone prolly help out a majority of that gain! so lemme see... get a lot more fuel, and a little more air, into the engine and you'll go faster. hmm that's a concept nobody's thought of before.
if that's not enough, what about the guys who do the intake, header, and exhaust stuff... but their car is still slower than hell?!
the method I am going with for my car follows what you alluded to... make it run faster, but keep it looking slow. it's called a "sleeper" car. I've got friends who have done it, and another who is gonna do it with a CRX. you can change everything out, but, depending on your pocket-depth, you can make it look and sound completely stock. you can also do an engine swap (much easier on a honda) and not change anything else.
do you think those little rice-rockets run off the stock SOHC? don't think so...
true tho about changing internals before externals if you wanna appear stock, but why do that when you are getting no more in/out using the stock externals? my $.02 says let the kid (nothing offensive meant) do what he wants. at least he's asking for help before making a decision, and possibly a mistake. sheeit - I researched for easily 2 months before making the decision to get my zx3. unfortunately a red-light runner forced me to buy sooner, but I had already made up my mind that I was gonna sell my last car so I could get this one... oh well. in any case, you also have to keep in mind that adding cams is not a r/r (remove/replace) job. there's a lot more to consider. I know some cams (possibly even mild ones) require or at least suggest you replace other components (i.e. - springs, buckets, etc., etc.). plus, unless you are a master tech, I wouldn't suggest doing it as a garage-job anyway - which is even more money.
sorry all for the long post, but I'm sure I've gotten a few of you to agree.
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
[This message has been edited by speedy_zx3 (edited 02-06-2001).]
if that's not enough, what about the guys who do the intake, header, and exhaust stuff... but their car is still slower than hell?!
the method I am going with for my car follows what you alluded to... make it run faster, but keep it looking slow. it's called a "sleeper" car. I've got friends who have done it, and another who is gonna do it with a CRX. you can change everything out, but, depending on your pocket-depth, you can make it look and sound completely stock. you can also do an engine swap (much easier on a honda) and not change anything else.
do you think those little rice-rockets run off the stock SOHC? don't think so...
true tho about changing internals before externals if you wanna appear stock, but why do that when you are getting no more in/out using the stock externals? my $.02 says let the kid (nothing offensive meant) do what he wants. at least he's asking for help before making a decision, and possibly a mistake. sheeit - I researched for easily 2 months before making the decision to get my zx3. unfortunately a red-light runner forced me to buy sooner, but I had already made up my mind that I was gonna sell my last car so I could get this one... oh well. in any case, you also have to keep in mind that adding cams is not a r/r (remove/replace) job. there's a lot more to consider. I know some cams (possibly even mild ones) require or at least suggest you replace other components (i.e. - springs, buckets, etc., etc.). plus, unless you are a master tech, I wouldn't suggest doing it as a garage-job anyway - which is even more money.
sorry all for the long post, but I'm sure I've gotten a few of you to agree.
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
[This message has been edited by speedy_zx3 (edited 02-06-2001).]
Yeah but you wanna draw some looks from innocent bystanders too! So its gotta be a delicate balance. Hey all else fails then just rice it and put some yellow " NO FEAR" stickers on it, voila!!!!!!!!!230 FWHP
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First god created beer, then he rested and told the misses to finish up and that is why we have problems around the world today.
If you want my opinion, and you probably should, I'd wait! Hold onto that money stick it in the bank or burry it in the ground.
There is something coming this month that you'll kick your self for not waiting for.
Just keep you $400 and save up a little more.
You'll be glad you did, trust me.
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There is something coming this month that you'll kick your self for not waiting for.
Just keep you $400 and save up a little more.
You'll be glad you did, trust me.
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well damn... I'm getting a stiffy just by that post. what's the big surprise? it better be a redhead! muahahaha
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
WHAT THE HECK?!??!!? NO! NO! NO! No way a stock Integra GS-R Runs Mid 14's/ low 15's stock. Nope. That is absolutely wrong information.
A Acura Type R runs 15.2 on a quarter mile. Here's the link to Car and driver. Go look it up. http://caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1997/March/199703_roadtest_acura_integratyper.xml?&page=5
I recommend internals as well.
A Acura Type R runs 15.2 on a quarter mile. Here's the link to Car and driver. Go look it up. http://caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1997/March/199703_roadtest_acura_integratyper.xml?&page=5
I recommend internals as well.
Well speedy_zx3 let's really analyze this. A GSR doing 13s....hmmm. Now I understand that the Acura Integra is not a cheap platform to begin with. It's actually a well balanced out car for the money. My problem is that too many people drive them. Anyways one thing is that the GSR will usually pull the 1/4 in about 15.3 to 15.6 seconds. The faster guys will even run near the 15 flat area. Let's not get this car confused with the Type-R which runs a better time, usually 14.6 to 15.0, also depending on driver. My friend hit a 13.6 at Palmdale in his GSR. Maybe it's a mid 13 second run, but since it's after .5 I'll say it's a high 13 second run. Maybe I'm wrong? Neither am I or anybody else on this board a stranger to what a Sleeper car is. So thank you for the definition. I mean this very sarcastically!
Living in the Honda capital of the world, and where most of these swaps originated I totally know what a Hybrid Honda is. One reason I had a turboed SOHC instead of your typical GSR transplant!
All I'm saying is that if you want power, then spend it on parts that are gonna produce real results. An exhaust or a snow cone on a stick filter isn't going to produce any *REAL* gains. Exhausts and air filters make ingestion of air more efficient into the engine, but are not as critical on a stock engine as everybody thinks.
Perhaps I'm wording it wrong and I might give some the wrong impression of what I think is an important modification. Now we all know that adding an exhaust or air filter is gonna give you some slight gains in hp. Perhaps the Focus's stock air intake and exhaust system is pretty inefficient compared to other cars, hence the higher than normal gains on the Focus. But you see they're only as effective as the amount of air the engine can physically ingest. Things like cam profiles and shapes and sizes of intake valves and ports has a big impact on performance. So if these don't flow anymore air, or the Volumetric efficiency is as stock, those exterior mods will not provide anymore hp. But if you increase the duration on the cams, or increase the compression ratio than adding stuff like exhausts or filters becomes more critical. No I'm not trying to school you or anybody else on this information. I know that most of you understand this concept. It's not like I think you guys don't know what I'm talking about.
So what am I saying? Sometimes it's better to just save your money for more important things. This not only applies to cars, but it has always applied for just about any other thing in life. Sometimes we have this money trying to burn a hole in our pocket saying "Spend me, spend me!", but is getting that $350 dollar exhaust gonna make your car just that much faster? What if you would have waited and instead got cams? Even with the stock air filter, you would still see a noticeable difference in performance as opposed to that exhaust. It's little things like that, that separates you from the rest. The only reason I'm even arguing about this post, is that I personally don't believe that those typical bolt-on mods are good as a first mod. The good thing is that anybody can disagree and can do whatever they like. I'm just trying to point out other alternatives as a first mod. Since he said $400 was what he had to spend, it's not far away from what cams cost. If he said he only had $150 dollars to spend on his first mod, then I'd obviously tell him otherwise. Just my little bit of information.
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Living in the Honda capital of the world, and where most of these swaps originated I totally know what a Hybrid Honda is. One reason I had a turboed SOHC instead of your typical GSR transplant!
All I'm saying is that if you want power, then spend it on parts that are gonna produce real results. An exhaust or a snow cone on a stick filter isn't going to produce any *REAL* gains. Exhausts and air filters make ingestion of air more efficient into the engine, but are not as critical on a stock engine as everybody thinks.
Perhaps I'm wording it wrong and I might give some the wrong impression of what I think is an important modification. Now we all know that adding an exhaust or air filter is gonna give you some slight gains in hp. Perhaps the Focus's stock air intake and exhaust system is pretty inefficient compared to other cars, hence the higher than normal gains on the Focus. But you see they're only as effective as the amount of air the engine can physically ingest. Things like cam profiles and shapes and sizes of intake valves and ports has a big impact on performance. So if these don't flow anymore air, or the Volumetric efficiency is as stock, those exterior mods will not provide anymore hp. But if you increase the duration on the cams, or increase the compression ratio than adding stuff like exhausts or filters becomes more critical. No I'm not trying to school you or anybody else on this information. I know that most of you understand this concept. It's not like I think you guys don't know what I'm talking about.
So what am I saying? Sometimes it's better to just save your money for more important things. This not only applies to cars, but it has always applied for just about any other thing in life. Sometimes we have this money trying to burn a hole in our pocket saying "Spend me, spend me!", but is getting that $350 dollar exhaust gonna make your car just that much faster? What if you would have waited and instead got cams? Even with the stock air filter, you would still see a noticeable difference in performance as opposed to that exhaust. It's little things like that, that separates you from the rest. The only reason I'm even arguing about this post, is that I personally don't believe that those typical bolt-on mods are good as a first mod. The good thing is that anybody can disagree and can do whatever they like. I'm just trying to point out other alternatives as a first mod. Since he said $400 was what he had to spend, it's not far away from what cams cost. If he said he only had $150 dollars to spend on his first mod, then I'd obviously tell him otherwise. Just my little bit of information.
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clear the air people, clear the air!!! hummm, I agree with the notion of all show, no go concept. The engine is where it is at, and as far as how to spend it now, I would state that it wouldnt hurt to save that money up, and save some more, and then get a real set up installed. I have seen idiots put nos on there cars, or blowers on their cars, and what do you think happens. blown engine, thats what. I say if you are going to mess with the engine, then do the job right!! Just my 2 cents. But the important thing we have forgotten is that the decision is totally up to this guy with the 400 dollars, right?
please dont go ALL SHOWN NO GO, please!!
please dont go ALL SHOWN NO GO, please!!
hey twilight blue...
i have brand new Esslinger Racing blue Cam Gears and an Esslinger UDP....i never got the chance to install them, so i need to sell them to do different mods...$350 sound good to you? lemme know, i have 3 others that want these things and basically the highest bidder wins...
G
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yeah baby!!!!
i have brand new Esslinger Racing blue Cam Gears and an Esslinger UDP....i never got the chance to install them, so i need to sell them to do different mods...$350 sound good to you? lemme know, i have 3 others that want these things and basically the highest bidder wins...
G
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FUTURE MODS:
SVT
yeah baby!!!!I agree with Frios here. If I could start again, the first thing I would get is some cams.
Look at the results Dennis had. He got like 10hp from the cam gears, and then like another 10hp over that with aftermarket cams set at the factory position. That would be like a 20hp jump even if you didn't bother buy the cam gears (since they are set at stock anyway).
A $400 exhaust will give like 2-4 hp. A $200 intake will give maybe 5hp.
Woo hoo...
Frios, a lot of people are concerned with appearing fast, and not being fast. I think that's why these exterior mods are so popular. That, and the ease of install.
I have a Borla exhaust, and the Esslinger UDP. The only reason I bought the exhaust was because I was one of the first people, so I didn't have the benefit of people telling me it made no power. I just came out of a Mustang, where exhausts can make 10-20hp. I was expecting the same type of results with this exhaust.
If I could go back in time, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 20hp gains from just cams is HUGE.
Look at the results Dennis had. He got like 10hp from the cam gears, and then like another 10hp over that with aftermarket cams set at the factory position. That would be like a 20hp jump even if you didn't bother buy the cam gears (since they are set at stock anyway).
A $400 exhaust will give like 2-4 hp. A $200 intake will give maybe 5hp.
Woo hoo...
Frios, a lot of people are concerned with appearing fast, and not being fast. I think that's why these exterior mods are so popular. That, and the ease of install.
I have a Borla exhaust, and the Esslinger UDP. The only reason I bought the exhaust was because I was one of the first people, so I didn't have the benefit of people telling me it made no power. I just came out of a Mustang, where exhausts can make 10-20hp. I was expecting the same type of results with this exhaust.
If I could go back in time, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 20hp gains from just cams is HUGE.
frios... true true. I love sarcasm, but I took that hit a little too hard. oh well. guess I deserved it, eh?!
in any case, as p-51 said, some people want to appear fast without being fast. not I... this time. last time I went that route... reduced the wheel-well gap, got the exhaust-vroom and the intake-hiss. well, now I wanna go "shhhh". that whole "it's a focus - it ain't sheeit" thing, ya know?!
every1 has a right to do what they want. and at least he came here to determine what the best course of action would be. I can concede that I may have been wrong on the whole gsr thing... no big deal! this is a focus site so "fuhgit about eet".
I'm too damned tired to care what I wrote before, but all I was really trying to say is that a cam-job is not just as easy as buying the things. unless you can install them yourself, it's gonna be much money to get it done.
can't we all just get along?! muahaha
peace, d00d
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
in any case, as p-51 said, some people want to appear fast without being fast. not I... this time. last time I went that route... reduced the wheel-well gap, got the exhaust-vroom and the intake-hiss. well, now I wanna go "shhhh". that whole "it's a focus - it ain't sheeit" thing, ya know?!
every1 has a right to do what they want. and at least he came here to determine what the best course of action would be. I can concede that I may have been wrong on the whole gsr thing... no big deal! this is a focus site so "fuhgit about eet".
I'm too damned tired to care what I wrote before, but all I was really trying to say is that a cam-job is not just as easy as buying the things. unless you can install them yourself, it's gonna be much money to get it done.
can't we all just get along?! muahaha
peace, d00d
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'01 Twilight Blue ZX3 5-spd
Power/Premium options
JBA Header
Esslinger UDP (blue) < installed as soon as possible
Coming Soon (when I get more $):
MBRP exhaust
AEM CAI
FocusSport wires?
H&R Sport springs <<<|
Eibach anti-sway bar kit <<<| these 2 on GB maybe - if it doesn't end
Just un case you were wondering about the price for the high performance cast aluminum intake manifold I have it in my new 2001 FORD PERFORMANCE PARTS HANDBOOK. The part# is M-9424-Z20 price from dealer is $495.00 and I heard that with the Ford Racing 2.0L Zetec cylinder head which is now under development it will rock.
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