A good example of what? I don't recall ever mentioning whether or not certain cars were fast or slow.randy is this a good example?:dunno:
im willing to bet that the car making more power is fast even tho it might spool a tid bit later...even from 4th gear...
the car making 260whp and 240ftlbs is just an reliable and longevity as the 237whp 231ftlbs car.Hmm. No, not the greatest example. If you are talking about low end spool, it would be better to show the dynos starting as close to 2,000 rpms as possible. And why is topspeed's name blacked out??
However, you can't discount the actual driving experience; the part that doesn't show up on a dyno chart. When I look at the chart in my sig I think, damn looks pretty good. It spools up nice. Then when I go drive the car the fact that it's a 3076R due to the lag is quite apparent.
You guys that like to have these bigger turbos, please enjoy yourself. I really don't mind. Seriously. I'm not trying to change minds as much as shed light to those who haven't driven many different size turbos for any length of time. I will counter statements, such as Jared's, though.
I "almost" quoted you because I knew your unedited post was too good to last. :lol:Personally, with what I use my cars for, I'd take the low end over the top end.
You CAN'T always be in the right gear, because sometimes it doesn't exist.
I know everybody is really big with the huge horsepower Foci these days, and more power to them... but day-to-day, I'd much rather enjoy a 250whp Focus with a flat torque curve than a 400whp Focus with a peaky curve.
With my form of lowly amateur motorsport, I can't see getting more than 300fwhp to even stick to the ground anyway, so as far as I'm concerned, everything above that is kind of a waste.
This whole thing reminds me of college... My roommate and I both had the same exact car, but I had a Garrett T3 and he had a tiny Mitsu TE04. His car felt faster, and was much more enjoyable around town... but when you put the clock to them, mine was the winner.... but I'd still rather drive his to the corner liquor store.
I know what you're saying. Driving my Focus as is, it's fun, but I do miss that punchey low end feeling of the smaller turbos where you can just stab it in any gear and get moving rather quickly and without even flooring it. The GT28RS is a great middle of the road turbo looking back to all of the set ups we've had here on our cars.I find these Turbo Conversations VERY interesting, It's all a matter of preference, I'll take 220hp / 240tq just for the sake of drivability. You all know that FSWerks kits are known for reliable HP and the fact of the matter is if you have a DAILY DRIVER and don't track the car (a Lot ) and want some more power the FSWerks kit offers that. I'll take the early spool-up that just means I have to push on the gas less when driving and when I'm in stop and go traffic I don't have to worry about the lack of torque causing me to rev the engine higher just to keep it from stalling out. The big power guys are missing the point - You can have all that big power on a BUILT motor but on a STOCK setup ? I think that 250 / 250 is a safe bet.
Now THAT is what I'm looking for! Beautiful torque cur*AHEM* I mean line. :thumbup:Look at the flat torque. 246ftlbs until 7000. This is a perfect example of what Jared was trying to say. Hold the 250tq that you say you are limited to and you will have a much faster car.
This is Jared's car in 3rd. Sure it isn't a duratec but the same principles need to be applied.
:dunno: I don't get what that had to do with turbo size.It was said that "faster is always better."
It's clear that some people (the majority I'd guess) are after the response and punchy feeling of a smaller turbo as was stated here in this thread. Of course there are exceptions as we can see here.
As I've stated a couple times already, the dyno doesn't tell the whole story of how a car feels and drives. And how it reacts to part throttle acceleration or it's overall behavior. These things should be considered. That's been my point all along. I really don't care what size turbo people use or what they prefer. Hopefully, people who don't have first hand experience in actually driving different set ups can find a way to do so before making a decision versus just reading about people's opinions.