[zedexthree]

I raised this topic not because I want to annoy SVT Owners and I clearly know that the SVT is much more than an engine. The svt is more exclusive and with many zx3/zx5 unavailable options. The svt is a fine choice and a good buy.

Still, the 2.3L option on a power premium with advance track is still an awesome choice for people. Especially the sedan and wagon folks.

Ford is making the Focus better each year and this continuous improvement will lead to improved sales. I credit ford for making the 2.3L an option in 2004 nationwide.

zedex

 

[73Gondoleir]

All the arguing about the SVT puzzles me. The SVT with a Zetec based engine is a great car, but an SVT with a Duratec 2.3 would be even better, in my opinion, even it everything else stayed the same. There are several posts about D-tecs getting 200 hp with stock cams and minor modifications.

[ 04-03-2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: 73Gondoleir ]

 

[PaperJam]

Originally posted by Ford5pointoh:
[QB]Your friend needs to find another dealer. I paid 15,800 from Walker Ford in Clearwater(includes sales tax of 6% and tag fee), Florida last November. I used X-plan and 2,500 rebate. QB]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Finding another dealer isn't going to allow him to use X-plan.

 

[MichaelXi]

Originally posted by SVT-STi-M:

Originally posted by MichaelXi:
[qb]

Originally posted by SVT-STi-M:
[qb]If all you think you get with an SVT is 30hp,...
This is the same lame crap that people have been talking about the SVT all along. I think another poster had it right. It's jealousy.

A better suspension? I doubt that. Can you make one that corners better, maybe, but I highly doubt you can make one that corners near as well while retaining any semblance of ride quality.

I need leather seats. They look sweet. If you don't fine.

Better trim, better wheels, bigger breaks. Yeah, none of that is better.

Insurance costs? Are you retarded or high? Sorry, didn't mean to insult retarded people. If your insurance company charges you more for an SVT Focus you need a new insurance company. My insurance actually went down thanks to ABS and side airbags.

As far as extra cost, there are SVTs for sale for $14,000 brand new. Yep, looks like a terrible deal to me.

It annoys the hell out of me that people think that the engine is the only thing in a car. Do these people actually drive? Perhaps they just drool over hp and 1/4 mile numbers while pining for the day when they can get their learners permit.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">YOU SIR are the one who started the "Drama" with your rude reply to an honest, sincere post, which had a VERY good point.
I LOVE the SVT!!!!!!
I REALLY wanted one when they came out.
I am Not Jealous. I KNOW they can be had for less than MSRP, but so can a Non-SVT.
Still, for less money than the cost difference between my S2 and an SVT, I have a car that is just as Powerful, HAS SVT Springs currently, has the SAME Swaybars, Koni-Yellows in the Rear, and Soon-to-be-Replaced "Near SVT" S2 Front Struts.
I AM NOT "BASHING" the SVT.
YOU have taken Facts, and treated them as Opinions, and Vice-versa.
The SVT is a FINE car.
I merely stated that when the basic Focus becomes Stronger, the SVT better step up, or the biggest difference that's useable is gone.
Yes, the SVT ride is nice.
Like I said, until I added the rear Koni's, my car had a nearly identical setup.
Still, it can be better, unless all you want is "Performance-Plush". If so, that's FINE.
You stepped in and started arguing, when the original topic WAS ONLY about the engine.
Spend 3-500 dollars on a std Focus, (w/ the more powerful new engine), and you can have everything that's useable/functional on an SVT.
Previous to the new engine, it would've cost ALOT more.
The Trim is nice, the Discs are nice, etc, etc.
That WASN'T the Discussion, so STOP Creating Drama for the sake of it.
We are ALL here because we Love the Focus, and your car is NO Exception, so CHILL w/ telling someone that their "Head is Up their Ass", or otherwise insulting people.
This is NO Place for it.

[ 04-03-2003, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: MichaelXi ]

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by P-51:
You guys go to the same fricken dealers we do, and get the same bull**** treatment we do. Go to the SVT forum, and it's full of "I hate my dealer" threads just like the regular Focus guys.

We have said, it's a nice package, and if you want to keep a stock car, it's the way to go. Just don't get carried away.[/QB]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">P,
You mean if I click on "The SVT Forum" I can read of the problems they're having too? Shoot, I thought you had to have an SVT to get in that forum.

[ 04-03-2003, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

[flat 4]

Well, I just finished my first test drive in a 03 SVTF. Nice little car with no support up in the Minneapolis area. Only one dealer. Completely arrogent, get this...he "let me" test drive the 5 door as a favor to me because the dealer normally doesn't allow customers to test drive SVT's. Great business plan eh?
If Mazda can stoke the I-4 2.3 in the "6" to around 160hp 155ft/lbs, mass produce it, pass emisions, what the hell is Ford waiting for? Even a trained monkey could open up that Mazda mill with an intake and exhaust pull 170 hp dump it into the current SVT body/suspension, and now you have a lighter more powerful engine 155+ft/lbs with a more bullet proof engine that runs on normal gas and probally costs a butt load less to produce!
Hell, just put that engine in a base ZX3/5 and call it a Focus GT. Add on euro spec suspension and brakes and there you go.
My current plans are to buy a Cal. spec ZX-5 and call it a day.
{PS) GREDDY and many other Japanese/European/Austrailian after market turbo makers/tuners are already busting their nuts to tune the I-4 2.3 How much world wide after market support is there for the SVT Z-tech?
Cheers.

 

[COSitsWORTHit]

look.......I wouldn't even **** with a 2.3 right now if I were you....WAIT until the 04 Focus comes out or official word from Ford hits the streets that the 2.3 is here to stay.

From what I know, 2.3 is not the "new" Focus motor, O.K.?! The engine is only being used temporarily to gear up more plants to produce the 2.0 engine for Proteges AND Focus.

and NO ONE is busting thier ass trying to make parts for the 2.3. Focus Central even admits they are going to provide aftermarket support...but little. JUST WAIT!

Think of it like this..Say you get the 2.3 and I am right....then your kinda screwed in the aftermarket cause companies won't work towards such a limited production powerplant. It would make now sense for Ford to change the drivetrain etc. only 3MY into U.S. production

 

[MyBlackZX3]

im pretty sure that i read in a sport compact car that the 04 SVT Focus is going to have a 2.3l turbocharged mazda engine. but im not sure if they went through with it or not. but they had it on a test car i think. it had pictures of it and stats and everything.

 

[Phillip]

Ummm, let me see. Build aftermarket engine parts for 50+ thousand (just guessing at how many 2.3's will be in the Focus by the end of the year) or 5000 2.0 SVTF's. What to do?

From what I've seen, there's already *more* high performance parts for the Duratec than the Zetec..just not in the States.

 

[P-51]

Haha.... no aftermarket support for the 2.3. That's pretty funny!

 

[biker16]

From what I know, 2.3 is not the "new" Focus motor, O.K.?! The engine is only being used temporarily to gear up more plants to produce the 2.0 engine for Proteges AND Focus.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There is one new plant that opened last fall th largest global inline 4 plant. at 750,000 units of capasity, in Spain. It will supply all european 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 production taking over from the mexican plant that was exculsivly making engines for the new mondeo. Which BTW has the capasity to make 380,000 2.0 or 1.8s per year.

the Dearborn engine plant makes all(*) 2.3 for north america, ranger, mazda6 and Focus, capasity 350,000. also capable of making the 2.0 version.

The sole mazda I4 plant can make up to 425,000 new inlines, inculding all variants, 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3.

Ther have been NO releases from ford or mazda reguarding any new production for The ZETEC E motor NONE All releases relating to I4s have been Exclusively about the MZR/duratec HE I4s.

[ 04-05-2003, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: biker16 ]