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Anyone other than Mandark (know you liked them
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Can anyone else comment on them?
 

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I have them...and here is my best description:

THEY SUCK!


Handle like [censored] in the dry, like [censored] in the rain, like [censored] everywhere. I learned the "you get what you pay for" lesson with these tires.
 

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I have them, and i couldn't disagree more
They grip AS well as my kumho 712s in the dry, havnt driven them in the rain yet, but i expect them to handle it fine. They have a large water groove. They also ride a lot smoother than my 712s did. The 712s would NOT balance properly and i had vibrations at highway speeds. The 512s balanced perfectly.

The only thing negative about these tires is they have noticeable tread squirm with their tall tread. It can be an odd sensation at first to feel the car squirm during turn-in, but after they set they grip really well. I'm sure as the tires wear down they will have less squirm, but honestly it doesnt really bother me for driving on public roads. I plan on getting a set of Azenis for autox.

Did I mention that they have pretty sidewalls and a rim-guard lip?
 

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I am glad you compare them favorably to the 712s, which I had on my Focus. 712s are not avaliable in 13", so I was very disappointed that I couldn't get them, but these are looking to be a worthy replacement.
 

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They are on my Yugo. They will see lite AutoX duty. At least until I can afford some autoX wheels
 

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Heh. Theres a guy who runs a yugo here... lets just say i'd never seen a car that cornered on it's sidewalls until i saw him run it.

But that ones in pretty bad shape, they can probably do better no?
 

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I had them on my Focus and liked them. Handled good wet and dry. Weren't the greatest in the snow. Not noisy and the rim guard offers plenty of protection even though that prolly matters not in your situation.
 

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Thanks everyone! I will be placing my order soon!

For those interested, here is my Yugo in SportsCar. She doesn't have the Panasports anymore, and I am in the process of devinyling her.
 

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I have them, and i couldn't disagree more
They grip AS well as my kumho 712s in the dry, havnt driven them in the rain yet, but i expect them to handle it fine. They have a large water groove. They also ride a lot smoother than my 712s did. The 712s would NOT balance properly and i had vibrations at highway speeds. The 512s balanced perfectly.

The only thing negative about these tires is they have noticeable tread squirm with their tall tread. It can be an odd sensation at first to feel the car squirm during turn-in, but after they set they grip really well. I'm sure as the tires wear down they will have less squirm, but honestly it doesnt really bother me for driving on public roads. I plan on getting a set of Azenis for autox.

Did I mention that they have pretty sidewalls and a rim-guard lip?

I'll Ditto this Post EXACTLY, except that I've not had 712's to compare to.
The Squirm is a little disconcerting at first at full tread-depth, but w/ proper pressure, it's manageable, and w/ tread-wear, it goes down as there's less to squirm with.
I like mine on the Focus for All-Season High Performance.
They aren't MAX Performance, but very few All-Seasons are, if any.

 

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I'm on my second set now. I've been reasonably happy with them. I think they do very well in dry for an all-season ultra-high performance tire. They do OK in the wet (not great, but not bad), and they suck in thick snow (compared to other all-season high-performance tires I've had). From now on, I plan on going to snow tires for winter, and a dedicated summer tire the rest of the year. I'm still a bit undecided as to which tire the summer tire will be. I want reasonable tread life in addition to good dry and wet handling.
 

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Since you're on your second set, how many miles did you get out of the first set?
 

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I have them, and think they are better than the 712. As far as the squirming, Falken has always had a coating on the tire that wears off after the first 500 miles(It's what the tire dealer told me) So you need to be careful until it wear off. They are a great wet and dry tire, but not for snow, and since they are not made to be used for snow, I dunno why some of you would use them in the snow and then complain that they suck.
 

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I have them, and think they are better than the 712. As far as the squirming, Falken has always had a coating on the tire that wears off after the first 500 miles(It's what the tire dealer told me) So you need to be careful until it wear off. They are a great wet and dry tire, but not for snow, and since they are not made to be used for snow, I dunno why some of you would use them in the snow and then complain that they suck.
They most certainly are. They are listed as an "all-season ultra-high performance tire"; i.e., wet, dry, and snow. They are NOT a dedicated summer-only tire. And, as I stated, I was comparing their snow performance to the many other high-performance all-season tires I've used on the three cars I've owned. I think with the possible exception of a set of Bridgestone Turanzas I had on my 1991 Escort GT for a while, they're the worst in the snow I've ever used.
 

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Since you're on your second set, how many miles did you get out of the first set?
My driving is 97% expressway (by miles), so I don't know how my results will compare with what you might get. I put about 40,000 miles on my car a year, and they lasted 1 year. I probably could have kept them longer, but I don't like to push it. I do too much driving to use tires with very little tread left. They wore out faster than other tires I've used on my other cars, but they also grip better in the dry than the other tires I've used.
 

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Have it and very happy w/ it. They're smooth and the grip. Much better than stock goodyear.
 

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I should also qualify my replies. I don't mean to imply that I think the 512's suck. I just think they're not appropriate for someone to use all year round in a location that gets heavy snow routinely through winter. If you live somewhere that gets only light snow occasionally in the winter, I think they'd be a good choice for all year use.
 
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