What does amazing mean?

Please post dyno sheets, air/fuel ratios, and any other data you might have to help convince the non-believers.

If amazing means it hasn't blown up yet, then you're probably right. No doubt many people will agree with you that, that is amazing.

j/k

So do you have the J&S installed?

 

except the engine management... heh. You like to stumble under super rich conditions?

 

Boomshockalaka!

 

Is that really a fair review on a car that is barely ever driven? Your focus is not your daily driver. It's a show car. So how can you say it runs amazing?

 

gude is learning after ALL the engine they have killed they have come to the conclusion that HA timing needs to be taken out to run boost and now TO SOME are sending out the J&S and larger injectors and a mass air

I still dont feel this is a cure or a proper way to tune the Zetec but it is 100% better than telling everyone that it will be fine on 8psi boost and the "you dont need anything else" BS

I wish you the best there is nothing like boost,I would go to a dyno and have a look at the graph and a good AF reading

Tom

 

Is that really a fair review on a car that is barely ever driven? Your focus is not your daily driver. It's a show car. So how can you say it runs amazing?

i hear ya on that one..

 

What will be amazing is if the car doesn't blow up in the next month.....

 

I have the gude kit and was told by bill gude himself that i could run 8psi safely daily and 15psi on 100oct i ran 8psi for a year and now my engine is toast. ihave a junkyard motor being installed as we speak

 

i would try to swindel money off him for a new engine. i would never get a gude!!

 

The kit itself isn't the bad part, its just the tuning that's the problem. If Gude offered a "tuner package", it probably would be a bad kit, right?

 

Na there is many issues with it they hodge podge the waste gate and the ones i have had here you could not comtrole boost correctly ,Turbo is way small and not a good one at that,Oh yea not proper tuning either

Tom

 

What does amazing mean?

Please post dyno sheets, air/fuel ratios, and any other data you might have to help convince the non-believers.

If amazing means it hasn't blown up yet, then you're probably right. No doubt many people will agree with you that, that is amazing.

j/k

So do you have the J&S installed?

Well it is getting Dyno'd at Magnaflow pretty soon, the day after I will post it here for sure.. Yes I have the J&S installed

 

Is that really a fair review on a car that is barely ever driven? Your focus is not your daily driver. It's a show car. So how can you say it runs amazing?

Well this may have been true but I started driving the heck out of the car.. and it runs fast and hasnt had any sort of problems.

I couldent stand not driving it.. its too fun to let it just sit there.. im sure pretty soon i will stop driving it.. but for the meantime.....

 

Bring it to the track... we'll see how it holds up

(j/k)

You have to remember, you're one of if not the only one on here who recieved the J&S as part of the kit. They were not supplying this before. It took them blowing up a few engines before they listened to Tom's advice. Thus the bad rep.

Hardware wise, it's my favorite kit (Minus turbo specs since I don't know what they are). But it's really pretty hehe

 

gude is learning after ALL the engine they have killed they have come to the conclusion that HA timing needs to be taken out to run boost and now TO SOME are sending out the J&S and larger injectors and a mass air

I still dont feel this is a cure or a proper way to tune the Zetec but it is 100% better than telling everyone that it will be fine on 8psi boost and the "you dont need anything else" BS

I wish you the best there is nothing like boost,I would go to a dyno and have a look at the graph and a good AF reading

Tom

well they send out injectors and mass air flow sensors with EVERY KIT... just some retards decide not to take them.. maybe to save a buck or something..

the J&S is new though..

 

Bring it to the track... we'll see how it holds up

(j/k)

You have to remember, you're one of if not the only one on here who recieved the J&S as part of the kit. They were not supplying this before. It took them blowing up a few engines before they listened to Tom's advice. Thus the bad rep.

Hardware wise, it's my favorite kit (Minus turbo specs since I don't know what they are). But it's really pretty hehe

well on the J&S.. it didnt come with the kit.. i just picked it up last week.. so its been running just fine withought it.. maybe im luckey or maybe it was just bs rumors like get spread around about a LOT of companies....


and the track thing... thats one thing i have never done, but i run it pretty hard now that it isnt my only means of transportation..

 

blah blah blah. With no tuning it will be toast...take it from my personell experiece. Have fun while it lasts because I guarantee it won't last long....guaranteed.

Scott

 

Of cousre the the car will run better with Tuning, but I have driven in this car and it runs great. I can't wait to see the Dyno results

 

QUOTE ,well they send out injectors and mass air flow sensors with EVERY KIT... just some retards decide not to take them.. maybe to save a buck or something..

the J&S is new though..

*Yes they send out injectors and mass air with every turbo kit NOW but they didnt when i came on here almost 18 months ago ,When they first added the injectors and mass air they added in the MSD boost retard (what a joke that was)and the J&S Safegard has been listed on there site with the kit for a few months now its nothing new

Now the problems ,The larger injectors and mass air are great but there still is NO chip to make the changes needed to the mass air to add or subtract the fuel gude is relying 100% on the air meter to be correct so you will be to lean or to rich

J&S Safegard i think is a wonderfull piece i even bought one and tested it and now use it in the dyno room to test some cars that dont have factory knock sensors ,But dont feel it is the proper tool for tuning the Focus ,

gude has spent more money on trying to cover up the problem than to fix it out right ,They were offered a fix to this problem well over a year ago and felt it would run up the cost of the kit to much and opted to keep selling them KNOWING there was a problem,I my self have repaired 9 gude engines and have sent 3 others to JRKerry? for some of his new engines

And i dont know how many cut loose on here and you will find the same thing on the ZX2 boards they wont tuch a gude kit and they feel the same way about it as the ZX3 croud

My advise would be keep the injectors if they are 42`s if not get some keep the mass air and keep the J&S as a safegard and get you a good chip or flash from some one and run higher Oct fuel you MIGHT have a chance, The next thing will be controlling the boost and keeping it under 9PSI good luck there

Tom

 

Well I can only speak from experiance with the product, it runs GREAT.

And who gives a crap what they used to do.. Ford has had what like a million recalls on the focus. we still love focus and ford dont we.. Well Gude improved on their kits.. and i support them for it.. it is a great kit and afordable.. your a fool if you say otherwise.. i havent heard any BS from anyone that has the injectors INSTALLED and the maf INSTALLED... just retards that ither didnt decide to purchase them with the kit or have them and didnt install them.. and tuning would help just like anything else.. I had my Cam gears tuned, when first installed it made my motor run like crap.. do I now talk bad on the maker of the cam gears NO because im not a fool.

look all im saying is that the company is awesome, and the product is even better, GUDE is a great company.. I have more aftermarket parts then most of you put together.. and If I am backing up the company for no personal gain.. you know the product has to be good...

 

Well I can only speak from experiance with the product, it runs GREAT.

And who gives a crap what they used to do.. Ford has had what like a million recalls on the focus. we still love focus and ford dont we.. Well Gude improved on their kits.. and i support them for it.. it is a great kit and afordable.. your a fool if you say otherwise.. i havent heard any BS from anyone that has the injectors INSTALLED and the maf INSTALLED... just retards that ither didnt decide to purchase them with the kit or have them and didnt install them.. and tuning would help just like anything else.. I had my Cam gears tuned, when first installed it made my motor run like crap.. do I now talk bad on the maker of the cam gears NO because im not a fool.

look all im saying is that the company is awesome, and the product is even better, GUDE is a great company.. I have more aftermarket parts then most of you put together.. and If I am backing up the company for no personal gain.. you know the product has to be good...

No, you don't blame the camgear manufacturers because you'd have been the stupid one for not knowing how to tune them. A boosted car with just MAF and injectors will not be enoughto save the motor, MAF/Injectors/J&S would keep you from blowing up, but definately not be anywhere near an ideal tune. Gude needs to scrap the J&S and tune a universal chip, it is so accessible now that there is no reason that they can't do that. Besides, a J&S for every car would be more expensive anyway :-\

 

You need to get out more before saying a statement like this QUOTE,I have more aftermarket parts then most of you put together.. ,,There is a LOT of guys on here with a lot of stuff on there car

QUOTE,,i havent heard any BS from anyone that has the injectors INSTALLED and the maf INSTALLED... just retards that ither didnt decide to purchase them with the kit or have them and didnt install them..

Retards Ha what about all the poor gude suckers that bought there kit when gude said ha its fine on 6 to 8 psi put the kit on you dont need any tuning BOOM

Then the poor gude suckers when he didnt know that just adding injectors and a Recal mass air ADDS timing to an already aggressive timing table BOOM

Then when he added injectors Recal mass air and MSD boost retard to the kit and had nothing but issues again BOOM

The kit has problems and gude keeps coming up with band-aid fixes for it when there is more than one way to just cure the problem,,I think you need to do a little search and history lesson here and on other Focus and ZX2 boards and see what has been going on

You kinda sound like a walking bilboard for gude and yet you havent a clue what the history is as to why people are down on them

I wish you the best and hope you never have engine trouble but if it was mine i would make sure the boost DOES NOT go over 7 to 8 and get it to a dyno with a scan tool and AF to make sure it is safe

Tom

 

Well I can only speak from experiance with the product, it runs GREAT.

And who gives a crap what they used to do.. Ford has had what like a million recalls on the focus. we still love focus and ford dont we.. Well Gude improved on their kits.. and i support them for it.. it is a great kit and afordable.. your a fool if you say otherwise.. i havent heard any BS from anyone that has the injectors INSTALLED and the maf INSTALLED... just retards that ither didnt decide to purchase them with the kit or have them and didnt install them.. and tuning would help just like anything else.. I had my Cam gears tuned, when first installed it made my motor run like crap.. do I now talk bad on the maker of the cam gears NO because im not a fool.

look all im saying is that the company is awesome, and the product is even better, GUDE is a great company.. I have more aftermarket parts then most of you put together.. and If I am backing up the company for no personal gain.. you know the product has to be good...

Ford has had a million recalls on the Focus?!!

I've had two (three counting the fuel pump ). What others are there?

Funny thing about Ford's recalls though...they flipped the bill to fix them!

 

Hey Tom,

Didn't Gude pay for those cars that blew? They DID have a recall right?

 

Adding only a MAF and injectors will ADD timing!! I am not trying to sound like an ass but it is impossible to have a zetec life with boost and no managment...(injectors and MAF do not justify management..either)Take anything that Tom (1turbofocus) has to offer, there is no other out there that has had more experience with boosted foci. Take his wprd to the bank. Take is from everyones experience it WILL NOT LAST! Me being a prime example. First GUDE said stock ECM etc will be fine...then they added MAF & injectors....then they added MSD dis2..then they figured that won't work on a ford EECIV (computer is smarter then the MSD) Have fun with the boost while it lasts. You'll think twice once your rebuilding your motor and THEN deciding to tune it...Good luck.


Scott