You can't sell a turbo coupe in the US.

 

Nope.. They won't sell here.......(They are a blast to drive) I swear I had the salesman puckering! :lol:

 

Factory turbo'd cars are for pansies.

-spatakula

 

FR 2.0 Turbo's blow.

 

I'd go in hock for a Ford factory RS over anybodies aftermarket unit... balance and, of course, warranty, warranty, warranty. I'm with ya Blue, why can't Ford "get it"?

 

Its really no different than the Subaru WRX TR from a few years ago. Just a much cheaper way to get a performance car. I don't see what all the fuss is about since it keeps the same engine and all.

 

It's cool, but that's about it.

 

You are correct. That's the point.

The new Ford Mustang V6 you can get in that price range isn't cool.

 

is ford really the only manufacturer out there that hasn't released a nice 4cyl tuner car in the 20-25k range with 200+hp?

 

Well, it wasn't sold in this country, but the Ford Sierra Cosworth was extremely popular in Europe. I know, i know...

:dunno:

 

Its called the Mustang... and they will hold onto it for dear live. If they made a Tuner mustang - even in v6, i'd consider it....

But they will cleave to their v8 forever.

-bix

 

When this is released, all those boi-drifters out there driving early-mid nineties Nissan's will be overjoyed at the fact they will finally once again have the option of buying an off-the-lot RWD Turbo-4 coupe. But most likely the majority of them will continue to drive their early-mid nineties Nissan's for the same reason they bought them in the first place: It's what they could afford. (read: They couldn't afford a 350z)

It's a really cool car on paper, but I think the market for such a car is rather small. I'm sure they will move some units, but (imho) unless they are somehow able to pull a <20k pricepoint out of their butts, I think most people will opt for the V6 for a couple bills more. The other factor is the salespeople trying to move cars and make money. If the V6 is only a few bills more and it has more power than the turbo 4, that's what the salesperson will push with the, "Well, you can get xx more power for an extra $20 per month." I hope it does well, but I feel it's going to be an uphill battle for this car to get popular beyond the, "Wow it's cool...I might buy one!!" stage.

Regardless, the car is pretty damned cool. I can't say I'd personally go for it myself...but it sure is nifty.

 

I think that because it is what it is, where it's actually been decontented in the areas that are not important on the track, that THIS version of the car will actually end up on the track.

The thinking that you have there is exactly what happened with the G8 though.
I went to look at the V6 model, which was impressive, but when I found out I could get another 100+ HP, for $2,000 more and only 2mpg less... well... :lol:

 

I think that because it is what it is, where it's actually been decontented in the areas that are not important on the track, that THIS version of the car will actually end up on the track.

The thinking that you have there is exactly what happened with the G8 though.
I went to look at the V6 model, which was impressive, but when I found out I could get another 100+ HP, for $2,000 more and only 2mpg less... well... :lol:

And that's my thought on it. My guess is that most savvy auto-buying folks will also look at the type of gas they will have to funnel into the cars. Now, I'm purely speculating here (again), but I would assume that the turbo 4 will require premium (as is standard for most turbo cars), whereas the v6 can likely take less than premium. That in addition to what is likely a moderate (for someone looking for a car in that price range, as shown in your example of V6 vs. V8) difference in price, an increase in horsepower, and likely the "premium package," the V6 will likely end up being far more enticing.

 

I'd say this was made for autox and spec racing not tuners. This may be a force to be reconed with like the acura type-R has been in its stock autox class. Only time will tell.

 

ROFLOL at this thread title ...

 

Hasn't Ford made a striped down racer version of the mustang for years? So what if it has a V8 instead of a turbo-4, HP is HP no mater the number of cylinders. Ford makes a good V8 motor that will likely be cheaper to modify and have more power per $ than this Genesis.

 

There is no such stripper listed in the build and price on Fords website that I can find.

The V8 Mustang starts at $27,995 so that V8 is about $4k more than the Hyundai. The closest match equipment wise though would require the 'track pack', which is only available on the 'Premium' trim so then you're looking at $33,375. Nearly $10k more.


Ford has the stuff but it's packaged for maximum profit. I suppose that's kept them out of BK, but it sucks for the enthusiast.

Simply switching the 4.0 V6 for a 3.7 duratec would make the $23k Mustang something worth looking at, I certainly hope something like that is in the works soon.

 

Obviously, if you don't want a Mustang... Ford gives you no options... that is what is being discussed here BigSandy.

 

Good price for that car. It defiantly has potential to be a strong seller.

 

So, if I don't want a Genesis Hyundai doesn't give an other options either.

 

really? :lol:

The point is... if you care to understand...

if you want a Ford... and you want a 4-banger, small coupe... you get...

NOTHING.

 

They also need to crack tuning... apparently the aftermarket has not been able to crack the tuning issue. Which is why alot of tuners have had stuff FLYING off the shelve.

once that happens! CRITICAL MASS!

 

Ford will continue to dissapoint. But i would never buy a Hyundai. That thing is a big boat. Cheaper then a G37 though.

 

That thing is a big boat.

It is? It's smaller than a mustang and smaller than a G37.

 

Is it really what Ford needs to develop right now?

No. The Mustang holds its own. It still sells well, and knowing Mustang history like I do, the 4 popper 'stangs never sold better than the V8s, why should Ford drop the V8 now?

Maybe once they've paid their loans back, we could expect Ford to develop some small coupe to appease a small group of people, but now? Not a good idea.

 

Ford has no loans.

No was talking about turning the Mustang into a 4 cyl.

The point of the post was that Ford say a sport compact will not sell in the US. This proves that point wrong along with a bunch of other cars on the market.

If you want a V8 "muscle car", sure go buy a Mustang. Me I want something smaller and FWD/AWD that I can play with. I see the Subbies and the EVOs eat everyone up at the track. I want a Ford that will do that and be under $50,000. You cannot buy and build a good Mustang for under that.

 

Ford mortgaged everything, including the blue oval logo, remember?

They used to own everything outright....Point is, Ford is doing well, but not well enough to put the money into developing a car for 20-somethings to bolt big ass wings to. When things were good, we had Contour SVTs, Probe GTs and Focus SVTs to play with, well things aren't that good right now. Hyundai's doing it because its all they really can do to get anyone into their showrooms. How many people are pining to get into an Elantra? The Genesis sedan and coupe are really the ONLY things worth talking about, well good for them, Ford's doing just fine with the Fusion, Flex, F150, Taurus and Mustang. When will you folks realize that not everyone wants a car they have to put aftermarket parts on to?

Can't build a solid Mustang for 50 large? REALLY? Come on now....try that one again.

 

Do euro Ford guys beg for the Mustang? I'm asking. I really don't know.

 

I've yet to see one......

 

Oh yes, you have to love the standard Hyundai hating from people that have no idea just how well-made the cars have become over the past ten years :lol::lol: I'd put my Tiburon up against any American car in its price range and I'd wager a bet that my car's better built than the entire lot. Hell, I can barely think of a car from any country that is built as well as this car for similar money.

The Genesis Coupe is a wonderful car and the R-Spec is going to be the way to entice a younger audience into the dealerships that may not have taken notice of the Genesis Coupe yet. Also, some of the tuning issues have already been cracked and the rest will undoubtedly be solved in no time. Also, there have already been some stellar Coupes built by companies that have every intention of taking the car to levels that will blow the competition away (http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3014948).

As for Ford not getting it, well, that's why the lost my business. I really hope that in a few years Ford finally gets their heads on straight and brings the US a global performance Focus that can compete with everyone else, but given their track record, I'm still going to be skeptical of it. I'll enjoy my Korean car in the meantime and may wind up with another one in a few years to replace this one too

-Brian

 

I think Ford has plenty of things to drive people into their showrooms....

They have the Focus coupe that now has a wing, sync, and 17" wheels
The Taurus SHO which can spank most V6 and some V8 cars at a drag strip
A completely re-done Mustang with, and argue if you want, a strong V6 and nice, reliable, powerful, and cheap to mod V8
New F150 that keeps winning awards and truck of the year accolades
Brand new redesigned Fusion

They have no need to make a tuner car that's track capable. History shows these do not sell well at all. Look at the Focus SVT, they had trouble selling those even though it won so many comparisons and such. Ford is still trying to get themselves financially stable, and to do that they've been re-doing the entire product line. I think they're doing a bang up job so far. Like Osiris said, when things get better and you see Ford consistently making good money each quarter, THEN expect them to increase development funding for a tuner small car. When do we get the new Focus? 2 years? Let's see what they offer in 3.

 

Ford tried this once in 1995 with the Mustang GTS, which was to be a stripped down version. Dealers loaded up as many options as they could, gave them automatics, and wondered why nobody came in to buy them. The dealer network can't figure out how to sell a car like that, so Ford tried something different. In 1993 they had the Cobra R, which mostly went to collectors. In 1995 the 351 powered Cobra R came out and was supposed to be used for racing only. Collectors got them as well. Same in 2001. For the S197, the competition packages all came from Ford Racing, taking the dealers out of the equation. So, are you wondering why Ford doesn't offer a racer package, or why they don't have a small RWD coupe? They have done many racer versions of the Mustang over the years since that is product is mostly used for. Yes, there are racing focuses and Escorts, but not nearly as many as Mustangs.

As for building a small RWD coupe, I don't see that is being a priority for Ford. My guess is that the next gen Mustang will be way smaller and will compete against the Genesis Coupe and other small RWD platforms. There is no reason to develop a stand-alone car that is smaller than the Mustang and RWD. The focus is now on getting mpg numbers in line with what that silly house on Pennsylvania ave is forcing down the automakers throats.

 

Ford tried this once in 1995 with the Mustang GTS, which was to be a stripped down version. Dealers loaded up as many options as they could, gave them automatics, and wondered why nobody came in to buy them. The dealer network can't figure out how to sell a car like that, so Ford tried something different. In 1993 they had the Cobra R, which mostly went to collectors. In 1995 the 351 powered Cobra R came out and was supposed to be used for racing only. Collectors got them as well. Same in 2001. For the S197, the competition packages all came from Ford Racing, taking the dealers out of the equation. So, are you wondering why Ford doesn't offer a racer package, or why they don't have a small RWD coupe? They have done many racer versions of the Mustang over the years since that is product is mostly used for. Yes, there are racing focuses and Escorts, but not nearly as many as Mustangs.

As for building a small RWD coupe, I don't see that is being a priority for Ford. My guess is that the next gen Mustang will be way smaller and will compete against the Genesis Coupe and other small RWD platforms. There is no reason to develop a stand-alone car that is smaller than the Mustang and RWD. The focus is now on getting mpg numbers in line with what that silly house on Pennsylvania ave is forcing down the automakers throats.

I would love to see a 5.0 4V mid engined model, sort of like the now gone NSX- with decent sero could be good for 27 hwy like the Vette. Ford seemed to "Get it" with the Ford Gt