Input on the FC Duratech Throttle Body

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sabre

Discussion Starter · Oct 21, 2003

I wanted to know peoples opinions and thoughts about the duratech TB from FC, especially the people who have it on. They say the throttle response is a whole lot better, can anyone vouch for that? I am contemplating my next mod but I am not sure that the $300 price tag justify the gains. I'd really enjoy better throttle response on my pzev, but I can always add that later and just spend my money on headers or something that will get me more power now you know? Thanks for anyones input.

Oh one last question, does anyone know if the stock TB on the pzev can be borred out like the zetec TB's? I might just do that.

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StickShifter

· #2 · Oct 22, 2003

Dont waste your money...Yet...Do something to free up your exhaust flow first, and then get a larger MAF before upgrading the throttle body...As it is, the MAF is too small for the intakes currently available, and the stock tb is pretty much maxed out size-wise with the MAF...If that last part made sense...Any bigger is a waste right now...Until your exhaust and MAF flow better, any other intake mods are pretty much a waste...Your intake can only flow as much as the most restrictive part...Which, save for the factory filter contraption, is the MAF...

The PZEV has a plastic tb (not sure about the Zetecs), but there is maybe a milimeter or two to gain by boring it out...Nothing thats going to make any kind of real difference, though...

...And now that Im done confusing you with my rambling...

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sabre

Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 22, 2003

Heh no no thanks for the info, made perfect sense. I was leaning towards the exhaust first as well. Are there any others with MAF for the duratech besides FC? Can you use Pro-M and Proflow MAF? I have seen a few on duratechperformance.com

blueovalbaboon

· #4 · Oct 22, 2003

pro-M = proflow (you might know that, just making sure)

and yes, their MAF will work...although you'll still have to take care of a new chip.

Chezterr

· #5 · Oct 22, 2003

"...although you'll still have to take care of a new chip."

In regards to the MAF?

The only beef I have with installing the 75mm Bullet MAF is that you have to cut factory wires. Not many owners are going to want to cut factory wires on a daily driven street car that they will more than likely trade in at some point in time.

If ProFlow was smart, they would develop an adaptor to go between the two different types of connectors, but they dont want to invest the money necessary.

P.S.

There is no H in Duratec....

Nikolas

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blueovalbaboon

· #6 · Oct 22, 2003

i thought bigger MAF = increased timing, which isn't necessarily good.

Or is their housing/element ratio or whatever (can't htink of the words but hopefully you'll get the jist) the same as the factory MAF?

blueovalbaboon

· #7 · Oct 22, 2003

crap I'm an idiot...I was thinking MAF+injectors will go hide in a hole now

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Chezterr

· #8 · Oct 23, 2003

BlueOval,

I thought that was what you were thinking about when you said what you did... The Turbo Tom "breakthrough" right?

We shall see how our Focus responds to the 75mm MAF sometime in December. Maybe we can get it taken care of before that who knows. With SEMA getting in the way and all.....

NIkolas

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StickShifter

· #9 · Oct 23, 2003

The only beef I have with installing the 75mm Bullet MAF is that you have to cut factory wires. Not many owners are going to want to cut factory wires on a daily driven street car that they will more than likely trade in at some point in time.

...Why not just use splice taps, and wrap the stock plug in electrical tape...Its easy to undo if you ever decided to for some reason...

Oh, and I am one owner who definately isnt afraid of cutting wires on my 160 mile a day daily driver...

...My main beef is the cost of the upgraded MAF...

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Chezterr

· #10 · Oct 23, 2003

We have an account with ProFlow as well, and I know what Focus Central pays for that MAF. THere is no reason they should be selling it for the amount of money they are. I think they are just trying to make as much $$$$ as possible. That 75mm MAF should sell for no more than any other 75mm Bullet MAF programmed for any other Ford car/truck.

(Hmmmm maybe we need to add it to our store.....

)

Nikolas

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blueovalbaboon

· #11 · Oct 23, 2003

We have an account with ProFlow as well, and I know what Focus Central pays for that MAF. THere is no reason they should be selling it for the amount of money they are. I think they are just trying to make as much $$$$ as possible. That 75mm MAF should sell for no more than any other 75mm Bullet MAF programmed for any other Ford car/truck.

i think sooo. along wtih cams, a twin-screw supercharger kit, rebuilt auto trannies, and...and...and... gimme a couple more days to think up more stuff

Just kidding, I"m actually pleasnatly surprised at how fast everyone is ocmign on board to PZEV aftermarket.

(Hmmmm maybe we need to add it to our store.....

)

Nikolas

Chezterr

· #12 · Oct 23, 2003

OFF Topic>

We're working with one of the top cam companies to begin testing on cams for the 2.3L engine.

Nikolas

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blueovalbaboon

· #13 · Oct 23, 2003

are the cams themselves identical between teh non S-CT PZEV and the S-CT maszdas? I imagine they would be, but just hcekcing

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StickShifter

· #14 · Oct 23, 2003

(Hmmmm maybe we need to add it to our store.....

)Nikolas

'Hmmmm' indeed...

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Chezterr

· #15 · Oct 23, 2003

That is a good question about the cams BlueOval... We havent taken the cams out of our 2.3L Mazda6 yet, but Im VERY confident they are the same in physical shape/dimensions. They may have different profiles though.

We are going to try to get our hands on a spare set of Mazda6 2.3L cams and send those off to be "read" by the cam machine. Im hoping that we can come up with a good street cam and use it on the Focus 2.3, Ranger 2.3, Mazda3, and Mazda6 engines.....

Nikolas

blueovalbaboon

· #16 · Oct 23, 2003

nice, I'm hoping you encounter the same kinda situation that us pushrod v6 boys did. I have a feeling ford/mazda might've undercammed teh cars, especially teh 2.0 and 2.3 duratecs. WE might be able to increase cam duration and lift significantly while reaping gains from idle to redline.

The situation with the v6's was so bad (to keep from stepping on the early 240 hp modular v8's toes) that in addition to huge gains across the board, we alos improved mileage AND emissions.

I've got an inkling that the 2.3's especially might be suffering from this condition, because of the RX-8's lack of torque and the mustang's lack of balls.

sabre

Discussion Starter · #17 · Oct 29, 2003

Chezterr:

Hey thanks for sticking up that MAF kit on the site. Might as well ask, how much more gas would that 75mm guzzle? Would it make a noticable dent in gas milage? Thanks.

blueovalbaboon

· #18 · Oct 29, 2003

you might actually see better mileage

With mods that open up the restrictions, you're letting the engine breath easier, and work more efficiently.

THis is why ignition, exhaust, CAI's, MAF's, sometimes even cams, tend to increase MPG AND power. They're letting the engine work more efficiently.

Of course, right foot factor, depending on how well a MAF helps, might needed to be taken into account.

Don't expect any MPG loss...slight gain more than likely.

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NUIpIsqo

· #19 · Oct 29, 2003

now that we're stepping on economy gain territory, can someone-- anyone-- list in order of best to worst economy gainers?

I would have thought that the order would go something like:

Headers
MAF
Intake
Exhaust
Throttle

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