word.
i keep hearing things like i will play around with timing, a new chip, oh its the stock pulley.....
but a supercharger overall should produce more power all over the range, no matter what pulley and no matter what chip. How can a supercharger loose torque? I have many doubts about the JR supercharger and will probably wait for turbo, as the zetec seems to like it more. Until someone puts out 170hp+ to the wheel with the JR blower, there is no way i will fork out $3Gs for it. Especially a roots type, arent they known to have low end power, why do people state that you can only feel the power up hight? Dont take it wrong, im just concerned and kinda disapointed

 

Yeah, Im with you guys on this one. I was seriously considering the JRSC as one of the BIG upgrades I was going to make to the car. As far as I know, Jackson Racing is a reputable company, but there seem to be a LOT of problems with the Supercharger. I wonder if these are just a few isolated incidents, or if they are a reflection of the company...

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2001 ZX3
Pitch Black 5-spd.

Lotsa good stuff, lots more on the way...

 

Just like with the Focus itself, its new and the bugs need to be worked out. Alot of people here kept asking when is it coming out, hurry, hurry. Maybe it was rushed to market too fast.

 

it7d i agree with you being rushed to the market so fast i think this was more like the prototype because there so many errors and for the price were paying i think a little better product shoulda came from this since they had such a big delay on getting it out.

 

Yeah, if Im going to plop down $3,000 on a supercharger, then there shouldn't be any bugs to work out...

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2001 ZX3
Pitch Black 5-spd.

Lotsa good stuff, lots more on the way...

 

Jackson Racing stepped up and rushed a replacement intake to Red ZX3. Silver ZX3's installation had a pinched off vacuum line to the digital fuel management module. His dyno results are not surprising taking this into account. So far, Cajun has been very pleased with his installation and dyno numbers are forthcoming.

Give Jackson Racing a chance before you dis them. This small sample size does not justify calling their product "crap".

 

Guys, please wait until I go again to the dyno

I am going spend about 3 hours there doing about 15 runs

Please remember we are the first ones to install these superchargers and there is not much expertize out there regarding a supercharged Focus. So, it's trial and error.By the time you'll have the money and buy the supercharger, you'll have every info you need to have a smooth process.

My first 4 runs are gonna be without THE NEW SUPERCHIP! 2 runs in 3rd and 2 runs in 4th!
Then we're gonna put the superchip and do 2 more runs in 3rd and 2 runs in 4th.
All these runs will be with the cam gears at ZERO.
After these runs we'll do about 6-7 runs with different combinations on the cam gears.
You'll have full coverage of the whole session, and at that point you'll be able to make an INFORMED JUDGEMENT

Don't worry, at the end of this I would be the first one to say if I am dissapointed, cause my $2,800 didn't grow in a tree, you know

But only at that point, not sooner.
I am sorry you guys can not drive the car. You could feel what I'm feeling, and you would realize that the supercharger is great and has huge potential. Is just a matter of tuning it right.

 

I have the utmost respect for Jackson Racing and the man Oscar Jackson himself. They have been doing this probably longer than anyone and their reputation is very good.

I would expect these kind of teething problems and I'm sure we will see promising results. I agree with Menace, there is not enough of a sampling to make a blanket statement.

Hopefully our SC will arrive soon and we can help in the matter.

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If you have any questions or comments about Focaljet please email me wrcfan@focaljet.com

 

i just got the intake right now, thats a fast turn around i would say, im going to finish the install today and im going to be dynoing tomorrow. so ill let you know whats up by tomorrow evening.

rob

 

Im looking forward to your dyno results silver zx3. Im teetering perilously on the edge for ordering one but I need to see a good result first.

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Chris Feist
Black 00' ZX3 5spd
Mods Dyno Chart

 

I am glad you guys are airing your concerns because they are ours as well.
The only defect we have had is RED ZX3's manifold that obviously slipped while in the CNC machine. It should not have made it through QC but it did. I overnighted the manifold to him and as he stated earlier he has it in his hands.
Silver ZX3 had an installation error which pinched off the vaccuum/boost signal to the fuel management leaving it without a signal. This was an oversight by his installer and he has since corrected the error. In addition he dyno'd his car in 4th gear hitting the speed limiter at 102 MPH instead of 3rd gear which would let it run out to the rev limiter as it should be done. He lost the last 700 RPM of the rpm band.
Cajun is more than satisfied with his charger and superchip upgrade and thinks he is making so much power now that he is running out of fuel at the top end.
We don't mind taking criticism but at this point our only mistake has been an intake manifold that should not have made it through the Q.C. process.

Shawn

[This message has been edited by mrdetail (edited 02-27-2001).]

 

We have not done an Automatic. I would say the biggest hurdle would be whether the tranny is vacuum modulated or kicks down with a cable to the TB. If it is a cable it could be difficult to route it to the new location of the throttle body. If it is vacuum that shouldn't be any big deal.
I am pursuing it more with Oscar and others to see if we can get the car in to look at the application.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sirlothar:
Im sorry if you thought I was dising Jackson...
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Words like "Is the Jackson crap??" are inflamatory. I'd call that dising Jackson.

 

I know this is probably a redundant question, but when will the supercharger be released to the US...actually Florida in particular? I am trying to work out a deal for my birthday where my father will help me out by paying for half the cost, and I'll pick up the rest of the tab. I know Automotive Engineering will be getting them soon, but no date has been mentioned. Thanks.

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2000 ZX3...not stock, but still slow.

 

I would much rather go n/a than to pressurize. But for three grand I'd probably only get about a 40 hp bunp. However, it would be there all over the rpm range like the jrsc should be. I tend to believe a n/a 40 horses is equal to 75 pressurized hp at least. When it comes down to usable hp n/a is the way to go.

 

PhocusZX3
I advise you to contact "Cajun". He might hook you up

 

Yeah this topic stinks.....

The Soup is still cooking.....

Give it some time...

Go ahead Oscar do what you have to do to help our Foci's Kick some A$$

Jackson Racing is one of the biggest name in the Compact Sport scene and this is just dissin here IMHO

Let the soup cook

Sounds ate up but....

let it cook...

[This message has been edited by S. on Da 5 (edited 02-27-2001).]

 

It is available 49 States right now.
Car should be done with CARB tomorrow for California release shortly.
Shawn

 

Guys, I would be right beside Silver ZX3 if I thought that I did not get a rather large improvement in performance for that much money. My advice would be to read the claims in Jacksons' literature. They tell you to expect about a 40% increase in horsepower with the S/C. Your stock car will likely dyno about 105-109 hp. Add 40% to this. Look at Silver ZX3's dyno sheets!!!! Sound kinda like DejaVu???? Most of you asking these questions have never dealt with a new vehicle and a first time application. Nothing is perfect right out of the box. Another problem is that you are getting TRUE data from ZX3 and the others, not some guess as to horsepower gains. So far, I have found that the programs we have for the Superchip and the DiabloSport chip give no seat of the pants additions. Yes, I am a Dealer for both, but, I am not going to lie to you to sell a chip. The biggest difference we have seen is that the chips raise the rev limiter and removes the speed limiter, hence more horsepower over a broadser rpm range. So, how can you compare without the chip to with a chip until the dyno runs???Just give us a little time, Silver ZX3 is going back to the dyno with a bit more education and equipment.
From someone that has a Jackson S/C, NO they are not crap. Please get your hands on one before you make judgements.
Later
DT

 

ok mine is in, and i took her for a run....
well im with cajun on this one, it feels dead off the start, but the upper end feels so alive! and then bam the f*&^$ing rev limiter kicks in...i was so pissed!!!! i really think we have to get a smaller pully for the blower and put the ud pullies back on, you noticed when you took the stock pully off and put the ud pully on, it opened the low end right up and made the car come alive from dead start.im going to button it up tomorrow morning, and i should be dynoing at the latest thursday. by then i hope to have it tweeked a bit.

 

damnit, i still dont get it. No low end improvement with the supercharger, isnt the roots type blower known for gobs of lowend power for around town driving? If youre only getting top end, why not just get a turbo, with the turbo you get the same effect down low, and the same up high, except you get load more up high with turbos, all the turbos ive seen for the focuses come up with anywhere from 160-270hp at the wheel, averaging about 190, from hks, fastrax got like 197 or something, sca was around there, focusparts got over 200hp. I think i will wait for one of those, probably aerocharger, unless someone makes one with the cat. Nothing like seeing that intercooler to intimidate people, and for the blind, that blow off valve

 

Im sorry if you thought I was dising Jackson in my post but i was just trying to get other peoples views on what they thought of the Supercharger. I was asking a question and not making a statment. I have wanted the Jackson SC for my car since i first heard about it and ive just been really disappointed with the news i have heard. I will be heading to the dyno with Red ZX3 on thursday and will see some of the numbers he gets first hand. This will help sway my opinion on it hopefully. Jackson did do a good job on sending Red out a new Manifold quickly so i have to give you props for that.

Shawn: Have you done any testing with the unit on a car with an auto transmission? I have a Automagic and i want to know if it will work well. Thanks

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2000 Twilight Blue ZX3 (Auto)
FocusSport Cool-Flo Intake/Blue Spark Plug Wires/Superchip/Borla 2.5" Exhaust/H&R Lowering Springs/Hella Dual Headlamps/Eurolite HyperWhite Bulbs/Indiglo Guages/Alpine CD Player/Infinity Sound Speakers/MTX 400 WATT amp/Pioneer 12"Sub/Euro Grills/Razzi Spoiler/Full Tinted windows/Armrest Center Console/Eibach Sway Bars/AFX UDP/APC Clear Corners
Soon: Jackson SC and Cam Gears
GreatLakes Member

[This message has been edited by Sirlothar (edited 02-27-2001).]

 

I'm skipping through half the posts so forgive me,
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Give Jackson Racing a chance before you dis them. This small sample size does not justify calling their product "crap".
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I agree...check out their kits for other cars like the Miata, Civic, Integra, and other cars they have been installed on. They've existed for these cars for quite a while. I actually read up first about the kit over at the Miata message board. Some have problems there too, but most are very happy with the product and its performance.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>isnt the roots type blower known for gobs of lowend power for around town driving?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, kinda weird. I thought the torque curve would look different too, but I'll wait a while and let everything get worked out before I make a judgement. I also prefer the flexibility and potential of turbos (if you remember the really old post about JRSC before it was introduced).

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00 Ford ZX3 / 96 Ford Cobra
90 Yam FJ1200/ 85 Yam RZ350 / 84 Yam RZ350
Engine Forum Moderator -Chris-

[This message has been edited by Ducman69 (edited 02-28-2001).]

 

guys ....slow done with your opinions...geez...there are only 3 of us with the chargers on and mine has yet to be dynoed, nor fine tuned.....gawd if you all are this impatiant, then go get a mustang for your power hungry minds....
i know for a fact ill get more then 150hp at my wheels, i just have to find tune it a bit.
before you go passing judgement, wait till mine is done, im sure you will be pleased with the results. i mean i didnt even have my boost gauge hooked up yesterday when i took her for a run, who knows,i might not be getting the full 6spi, i dont know till i hook it up today. i know one thing though, it is running the right amount of fuel per my air fuel meter showings.
so fuel isnt a problem yet.
and ill continue to push it till i get fuel cut of then ill back her out a bit.
so all im saying is, wait till you see my results before you pass judgement.

 

This is Rich from Fatman Racing,
last night we completed teh Jackson Racing Supercharger install. I am pretty impressed with the kit so far, there are a few minor things they need to change on the kit, and Rob and I will be getting Jackson that information so that when you decide to buy the kit, its easier, and more complete of an install.

Comments about performance:
Tonight the boost gauge will be installed, so that we can monitor when exactly we get full boost, seat of the pants feel is that the boost is not coming in soon enough, which is not characteristic of a roots style SC setup. My curent assumption is that they have too small of a pulley, or too large of a SC unit on the car. I would expect full boost no later than 3000 rpm with a roots style SC. Once we can see where the boost is coming in at, we can proceed from there.

This afternoon, I will be contacting J.R. to discuss the design of the kit and find out how they actually designed the kit, I assume they intended boost earlier in the rpm range.

I will post again after talking with them, and after Rob and I have tested the setup more.


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--Rich
www.fatman-racing.com