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Let\'s talk coil packs shall we?

Okay so today while at work I went into research about the MSD Ford Coil Pack, 4-Tower, PN 8241 and the Performance Distributors Screamin Demon Coil pack. NOW. I talked to a tech at MSD. He was very vague on the details of this Coil Pack. He didn't know whether it would fit our engine and he didn't know much about bigger gapping of the spark plugs. I also talked to someone at Jegs. Both didn't know if they would fit our cars. They are made for a DOHC 4.6 liter CObra Motor. I think they will. They look EXACTLY like each other down to the minute details. Both agreed that the new coil wouldn't need more gap unless you had more performance running through the car. But they did agree that it should help in fuel efficiency. The tech at MSD also said something about the wires may not fit on the coil pack which sounded weird to me since I do have MSD Superconductor wires right now and you'd figure they would fit. Overall the guy from Jegs was MUCH more helpful and friendly. The MSD tech was talking "Jibberish" about the technical terms while the guy at Jegs was just speaking in Lamens terms. But I got no help as to whether it should fit or not. But if FORD did use the same coil pack on the Zetec and Cobra you'd think that it would be able to take much more heat than just a few boltons right?

Now I think I'm going to order it and see if it works. If not I will return it. But if it does work this will be another option for all of us Foci enthusiast.

Now please take a look at these two pics and tell me if they look identical (which I think they do). Edit: Apparently Accel makes one and a Focus owner has already installed one and confirmed it works nicely and he felt a difference above 4000 rpms.





 

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Jibberish18,

It will work on our cars. I have one and have been running it for the past 2 months. I ran the first month with focus sports plug wires. they were just pressure fit over the mounts. I order a set of MSD zx2 plug wires and the fit over the mounts.

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Jibberish18,

It will work on our cars. I have one and have been running it for the past 2 months. I ran the first month with focus sports plug wires. they were just pressure fit over the mounts. I order a set of MSD zx2 plug wires and the fit over the mounts.

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Nice! I always thought you were running Focussport wires on a Screamin Demon Coil. So the MSD wires should fit perfect on the coil? So I'll assume that ACCEL is similar. Now I'm wondering about the over gapping situation. The guy at MSD didn't say much probably to cover his ass just in case anything happens. He said he didn't see the problem as long as the system required more voltage. So basically more performance would be okay while gapping at .65 for example on a normal car might create problems or less power.

Tragic what gap do you have?
 

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It does work. If you want a proper fit you will need to do as suggested above. Use zx2 2.0L zetec wires. It is a tight fit using the stock style boots on the towers. I am using jba 9mm zx2 Zetec 2.0L wires with my msd coil pack.
 

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It does work. If you want a proper fit you will need to do as suggested above. Use zx2 2.0L zetec wires. It is a tight fit using the stock style boots on the towers. I am using jba 9mm zx2 Zetec 2.0L wires with my msd coil pack.
Did you re-gap your plugs?

And the guys that do have coil packs, what plugs are you running.

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Stock plugs with stock gap. I dont really feel it necessary to replace or regap the plugs. There was a slight mpg increase, and the car idles smoother. Over all the car runs smoother with a little bit better gas mileage.
 

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Okay so I bought the damned MSD Coil Pack. 4 tower designed to fit onto the Cobra 4.6 DOHC. JEGS #121-8241.
MSD Ford Coil Pack, 4-Tower, PN 8241

So I get the thing and I find out my wires will not fit in the coil. So I'm ASSUMING I now have to go out and by MSD Superconductors wire that are made for a Ford Escort ZX2 with the Zetec motor and those should work? But why don't the Focus Zetec wires work? Are they any different from the Escort when the have they same engine? I was hoping to have this on today and my luck ran low. Help please?
 

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because the zx2 coil is different than the zx3 coil. from what I heard, you can actually run the zx2 coil on a zx3 (or any zetec engine, for that matter) and run a little better because the zx2 coil burns a bit hotter. I think there was something on that a while ago, but it's probably been so long that it's gone.
 

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Does the msd coil pack hae that buldge on the bottom of it? I know the accel coil pack i have in my contour has the buldge and it wont sit flush in the coil pack bracket.
 

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Does the msd coil pack hae that buldge on the bottom of it? I know the accel coil pack i have in my contour has the buldge and it wont sit flush in the coil pack bracket.
Yes it does. it looks like it'll fit okay but I'm going to need longer screws and different wires like I said. It all evens out since the MSD Coil is shorter in height. But I wanna know if the ZX2 wires are definitely gonna fit correctly on the Coil I got. Because the ZX3 wires sure won't do it.
 

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If you buy the Screaming Demon Coil pack and wire set together, which is the only way to sell them, you avoid all the headaches that have been outlined above.

The Screamin Demon comes with the coil, the wires that fit, and the necessary longer bolts. The coil does have the bulge on the bottom, however it still fits. I have had one on my ZX3 since last summer.

I still run the stock plugs with the stock gap and I have seen a slight increase in fuel mileage. You gotta love parts that save you money in the long run. Looks even better now that the price of gas has gone up a number of times in the last few weeks.

The Screamin Demon sets are available with wires in Red, Blue, Black, and Yellow. All of the above are in stock at www.newedgeperformance.com.

I hope this helps to eliminate some of the problems outlined in this thread.

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Jibberish18,

It will work on our cars. I have one and have been running it for the past 2 months. I ran the first month with focus sports plug wires. they were just pressure fit over the mounts. I order a set of MSD zx2 plug wires and the fit over the mounts.

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Thanks guys. I don't mean to be anal here but I want to make sure this will all work right. TonyD I wish I would've gotten the Screamin Demon in the first place but I bought MSD wires instead and now I already have an MSD ignition in my hands so figure I might as well make it work. I'd be saving a bit of money anyways but you're right I will gain more frustration. Oh well nothing ever goes right for me with cars anyways.

BTW you guys might wanna check the Classified section soon for a certain person *cough* selling a certain pair of MSD wires *cough*
 

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Okay another post. Heres the story. I just talked to the Import Division at MSD and the tech is going to send me 4 new boots that will fit the new coil for free and give me a chance to change them. So I will retain my current MSD wires but just have to change the boots on them to adapt to the new MSD coil. He also offered I ship my wires to MSD and have him put them on for me but I'll see if I can do them first. We'll see how it goes.
 

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because the zx2 coil is different than the zx3 coil. from what I heard, you can actually run the zx2 coil on a zx3 (or any zetec engine, for that matter) and run a little better because the zx2 coil burns a bit hotter. I think there was something on that a while ago, but it's probably been so long that it's gone.
Its right here - http://www.focaljet.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=628995&Forum=UBB2&Words=looking%20for%20msd%20coil&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=628995&Search=true#Post628995

I was looking into getting one to, but I ended up getting just the plug wires from MSD.
 

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Where can you buy the MSD pack? How Much? Bump BTW, this is a good post.
 

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I go mine from jegs for around 50 bucks and the wires from summitracing for 40.

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by the way, i bought just a screaming c/p and still ned wires for it. they DO sell them seperately.
 

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so between the two of you, who likes what they bought better?
 

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For $90-$145 how much increase in fuel mileage are we talking? Are there any actual performance benefits to be gained?
 
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