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many consumers buying unneeded performance tires while heping tire manufacturers.

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#1 ·
Burning Rubber
Sporty tires jazz up cars, but cost burns hole in wallets
By CHRIS WOODYARD | USA TODAY
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Racy-looking — and pricey — performance tires showing up on many new cars are proving to be the salvation of the tire industry.

"It's the only growing area of the tire business," says Jack Gerken, spokesman for Pirelli Tire North America.

To make cars look sportier, many automakers are adding low-profile, wide-tread "performance" tires, often rated for higher speeds, to big, flashy wheels. This year, 21% of tires sold will be rated performance or above, up from 12% in 2000, Modern Tire Dealer estimates.

"It's the single biggest trend in the industry," says the trade publication's editor, Bob Ulrich. But "some consumers still suffer from sticker shock when they see how much it costs to replace their tires."

Among the pitfalls:

Price. Even though Toyota's Scion tC coupe sells for a relatively modest base price of $16,740, replacing its set of performance tires with a new set of Goodyear Eagle F1 tires would cost $908, according to Goodyear's website.

Scion is the only Toyota that comes with tires that have the highest speed rating. By contrast, a new set of top-quality but 2-inch smaller conventional Goodyear tires for a Toyota Corolla would cost $492.

"We get a lot of 'accidental' high-performance customers," says Goodyear spokesman Jim Davis. "They buy a car that they think is a general automobile, but it has these speed-rated tires."

As wheels have gotten bigger, tires to go with them are more expensive: Pirelli just unveiled a 28-inch tire for Hummers and big SUVs that will carry a retail list price of about $1,800 each.

Endurance. Some performance tires don't last as long as conventional tires. Lexus warns buyers that the tires for its $2,060 17-inch wheel option on its ES sedan "are expected to experience greater tire wear than conventional tires," possibly "substantially less than 20,000 miles."

The popularity of performance tires is boosting tiremakers.

Goodyear has gone from "being up against the ropes" two years ago to having "convinced customers to pay premium prices for newly launched products," says a recent analyst report from Merrill Lynch. Its third-quarter earnings were the highest quarterly result since 1998.

Although Cooper Tires reported a quarterly loss, it cited "improved product mix" — meaning more higher-profit products such as performance tires — as a bright spot, spokesman Roger Hendriksen says.

Also helping tiremakers: brand loyalty. About 45% of owners now buy the same tire when it comes time to replace those that came with their new car, up from about 30% five years ago, says Phil Pacsi, Bridgestone/Firestone executive director of consumer marketing.

The trend is helping retailers, too. "Expanding our performance tire category ... opens the door for customers who were normally going somewhere else," says David Foxwell, tire buyer for Pep Boys. The downside: having to carry more inventory.


2005-12-21 18:57:21
 
#2 ·
Apparently people are too damn stupid to look into sites like TireRack and find cheaper and/or an all-season tire for their car so they don't have a heart attack when they hear the price to replace their tires on their ride.

Hell, when I replaced my tires a few months ago, I first checked with a couple local tire places, and the cheapest I could find was about $125 a tire. Then, I checked out TireRack and found my Kumho's for cheap and bought those. I will no longer shop at the local tire places and pay their prices for tires I can find a lower priced equivalent on TireRack for much less.

I find that the majority of people who buy cars, don't ever do anything to them on their own, they just take it to the dealer, or take it to a shop and trust the people there to tell them what they need. It holds true from mechanical work, down to tires. And that is what is feeding this boom in performance tire sales. Manufacturers put these performance tires on a car, then when it comes time to replace the tires, the dealer or tire place will try to sell you the same thing that came on the car, or something almost the same, same size, speed rating, wear rating, etc.... And that ends up ultimately costing the consumer more, because people don't "do their homework" when it comes to this type of stuff, and shops thrive off people like this.
 
#3 ·
Define "unneeded"... hell, we could all get by fine with a 1988 CRX. If it gets you from point A to point B, thats all thats needed right?

Tires are the number one performance item you can get for any car IMO. Even if the car isn't overpowered, it'll still handle and stop better with decent tires vs some cheap generic all-seasons. If people are finally being sold on that idea, then I don't see a big issue with that.

Then there are people like my dad... he'll spend a boatload on a full suspension kit and then look for the cheapest tires he can find. Since they are wear items, he refuses to spend money there... but stock with better tires would probably get better results. Ugh.
 
#5 ·
Then there are people like my dad... he'll spend a boatload on a full suspension kit and then look for the cheapest tires he can find. Since they are wear items, he refuses to spend money there... but stock with better tires would probably get better results. Ugh.
How often does he push the car to the limit of the tires?

Lots of people say they like performance items but rarely even know the limits of the equipment.

I think the point of the article is that premium tires is a lot like premium gas, lots of people buy them that should not or need not.
 
#6 ·
Even though Toyota's Scion tC coupe sells for a relatively modest base price of $16,740, replacing its set of performance tires with a new set of Goodyear Eagle F1 tires would cost $908, according to Goodyear's website.
Yeah, this is b.s... I guess you could pay that if you asked a dealer for tyres but if you are dumb enough to do that then you might as well pay the $908.

If you buy a car with performance tyres, especially on cars where those tyres are clearly not for winter use, then yeah, pay out the ass.
 
#8 ·
I wonder if this partially has to do with the firestone fiasco a few years ago. Maybe the general public got scared out of buying a cheep tires, and is finally recognizing they a major performance/ safety feature on there vehicle. Hell if people are actually taking better care of there cars and putting better tires on now than good. Even if they are not used every day, to me it is a big safety feature.
 
#9 ·
rpvitiello said:
I wonder if this partially has to do with the firestone fiasco a few years ago. Maybe the general public got scared out of buying a cheep tires, and is finally recognizing they a major performance/ safety feature on there vehicle. Hell if people are actually taking better care of there cars and putting better tires on now than good. Even if they are not used every day, to me it is a big safety feature.
except when people go pick-up their nice new evo then it snows later in the week and they wreck a $35k car
 
#10 ·
YellowSteel said:
How often does he push the car to the limit of the tires?

Lots of people say they like performance items but rarely even know the limits of the equipment.

I agree...I got rid of my Contientials on my SVT Focus and replaced them with Kumho All season tires. Overall a much better tire for every day driving in the rain (haven't had much experance in the snow yet since I just got them last May), but you do lose a step or two with handling (tires squeel alot more easy on dry pavement going around turns) but I'm not autocrossing my car everyday either...
 
#12 ·
How often does he push the car to the limit of the tires?
I don't drive with him that often, but if he put on a Kenny Brown suspension kit (frame stiffener and the works), then it matters to him. Thats my point.

And you don't have to push the limits everyday to realize the safety benefits of improved tires. They will allow the car to make faster emergency changes and stop in a shorter distance than cheap hard tires with compromise tread.
 
#14 ·
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Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212215/45ZR17 91Y

I love these tires for the street. The performance is awesome. Sure, I only use the capability of these tires in 20% of my driving, but they're awesome when I do.

They're soft and will wear out by the time I have a year on them, but at only $106 ea. for a 215/45-17, I can afford to replace them once a year.

I look at it as a luxury.:D
 
#15 ·
2xtremefocus said:
Apparently people are too damn stupid to look into sites like TireRack and find cheaper and/or an all-season tire for their car so they don't have a heart attack when they hear the price to replace their tires on their ride.

Hell, when I replaced my tires a few months ago, I first checked with a couple local tire places, and the cheapest I could find was about $125 a tire. Then, I checked out TireRack and found my Kumho's for cheap and bought those. I will no longer shop at the local tire places and pay their prices for tires I can find a lower priced equivalent on TireRack for much less.

I find that the majority of people who buy cars, don't ever do anything to them on their own, they just take it to the dealer, or take it to a shop and trust the people there to tell them what they need. It holds true from mechanical work, down to tires. And that is what is feeding this boom in performance tire sales. Manufacturers put these performance tires on a car, then when it comes time to replace the tires, the dealer or tire place will try to sell you the same thing that came on the car, or something almost the same, same size, speed rating, wear rating, etc.... And that ends up ultimately costing the consumer more, because people don't "do their homework" when it comes to this type of stuff, and shops thrive off people like this.
so?
 
#16 ·
hkysk8r07 said:
except when people go pick-up their nice new evo then it snows later in the week and they wreck a $35k car
When you buy a vehicle like that you are told that it requires a winter tire. If you are too cheep and stupid to get them after spending 35k on a car that’s your fault. If that is really an issue and there really is that many stupid people, then it should be mandated that cars shipped to snowy areas with summer tires, should also have to ship with a set of winter treads in the trunk. I believe in Germany they passed a law where it is illegal to drive with summer tires in the snow. So, I wonder if they are seeing the same trend there as we are in the States?
 
#17 ·
rpvitiello said:
I believe in Germany they passed a law where it is illegal to drive with summer tires in the snow. So, I wonder if they are seeing the same trend there as we are in the States?
just look for jinstalls story where he had to walk to work :lol:
 
#18 ·
since they are wear items, he refuses to spend money there


Not to be too much of a smarta$$, but isn't everything on a car a wear item? The shocks and springs will also wear no matter how good they are. Try using that argument on your dad. ;)
 
#19 ·
Everyone so far has missed the MOST IMPORTANT part of this story.
So did the original article.
The problem is "UN-NEEDED BIIIIGGGGG WHEELS"!!!
Since tires are one of the Biggest SAFETY Items on a car, Damn Straight I'd put the BEST tires I could afford on a Freakin' Tercel!!
They just won't be 18's!
15 and 16 inch tires are PLENTY!
If you want to pay for the "looks" and can afford it, more power to you.
Many cars are being Produced w/ 17"+ wheels, due to consumer demand.
True, buying smaller wheels to go w/ a desirable package that automatically includes 17" wheels involves a Sizeable Initial Expense, (a'la the SVTF), but the lifetime reduction in expense of 16" tires vs 17" tires will PAY FOR the smaller wheels!
"PERFORMANCE TIRES" are NOT Unnecessary.
Even if they are Performance All-Seasons, they ARE NECESSARY.
Giant Wheel sizes are what is unnecessary.
Consumer Demand is to blame for the expense that has come about.
The PERFORMANCE LEVEL of the tires is a PLUS, not a Minus.

:)
 
#20 ·
Since when has a car EVER been a frugal investment? 90% of the people in the US can get around fine with a kia rio. Why wont most people just “save money” and buy a kia? Safety, performance, vanity, desire, etc…

Buying and owning a car for the most part in is a vanity thing. By upping the size of wheels, more and more attention is being brought to tires. Honestly if this current trend of big rims did not come about, I don’t think as much attention would have been drawn to tires.

If for once vanity brings attention to a safety feature, GREAT! How often does that happen?
 
#21 ·
hkysk8r07 said:
just look for jinstalls story where he had to walk to work :lol:
TW I retrieved the Focus yesterday and made sure I had no tickets on the car. I was lucky. Winter tire season is around mid October. Get caught in an accident and with summer or ALL-SEASON tires and you are charged with being at fault.
 
#22 ·
And a Scion tc really needs Eagle F1's because of its massive power lol. Just something to create more ignorant people. "My (insert name of sport compact) can top out at 160mph stock, thats why they put Z rated tires on it."
 
#23 ·
The writer/USA Today, made a good point. People need to hear/read/understand this stuff. Some good may come of it...but why "alert the public" without providing help on how to shop for tires. If I didn't know any better, after reading the article I would be wary of getting a new car with larger wheels/tires option. But why leave it there? Just about everyone I know who are not automotive buffs get their tires from over-priced retail outlets/shops or the dealership.

Personally, I can relate to the article in the sense that I started with stock 16's, went up to 17's, then down to 15's. Why did I end up with 15's? Cost. I was driving 27k a year. If I kept with the 17's, I would have ended up replacing tires to often, eventually sacrificing quality for price. But that's me. I couldn't justify that level of expenditure. Do I miss the 17's...yes I do, but I just replaced tires after 55K of use, and saved $$$ in the process. It is a trade off for me that I choose.

Thankfully, I've been a loyal Tirerack customer since the mid 80's. If you want a laugh, the first set I bought was a set of white letter BFG radial T/A's....back when white letter was in...lol.