front looks pretty good buy once you get to the back its like DAMN what happened!

 

Don't forget the exhaust tips...

 

/facepalm

The New Taurus livery would have been better

 

what happened to them trying to bring back the STOCK car look?

 

What happened to the roots of NASCAR? Bring back the 50's where it used to be REAL cars in NASCAR.

 

my thoughts exactly!

Nascar is crap.

 

One of the worst looking racecars I have seen in a long time. It looks like the stuck a Mustang nose on a regular oval racer. The Mustang has never been a stock car. I would have much rather seen Ford take the Mustang to leMans as a GT2 race car than see this contraption.

 

Wait wait wait. The are basing a NASCAR vehicle off of a two door rear wheel drive vehicle?! That blasphemy!

 

...out on the track for testing today. Looks like a Fusion & Mustang lovechild. UGLY. The sidemarker light stickers on the front fender and rear quarter are a cheesy touch as well. Lame.

Hopefully this will be another nail in NASCAR's coffin.

NASCAR will go away about the same time F1 does. 2nd most popular sport in America right now in attandance to NFL.

 

It appears they have fake doors and door handles too.

 

The Challenger looks awesome.

 

Strangly, the Challenger does look decent. The greenhouse is what makes the Mustang look bad. It would have looked better if it had the same roofline as the Mustang, and not something from Days of Thunder. I don't care for NASCAR racing at all, but you can still make a good looking racecar for that type of racing.

 

And so, in continuing a short tradition of liking ugly vehicles.. I don't mind it at all. In fact, I love the new cars much more than the ones they replaced. I don't love the mustang.. but I sure don't hate it either.. :dunno:

 

It's a freakin racecar... one that nobody in this thread will ever have the distinct pleasure of driving... it doesn't have to be pretty, it has to be fast.

Get over it already. Quit with the bitching.

 

It's a freakin racecar... one that nobody in this thread will ever have the distinct pleasure of driving... it doesn't have to be pretty, it has to be fast.

Get over it already. Quit with the bitching.

actually I was fortunate enough to have the pleasure of driving one last month

 

Actually, most racecars are very good looking. Look at ALMS and certain F1 cars, they are artwork! So many GT1 and GT2 cars are also good looking. Racecars can be artwork. The best examples are the Daytona Coupe and GT40. Both are outstanding examples of race cars that were designed for function only, and turned out to be some of the best looking shapes on the planet. There are countless race cars since then that have been good looking.

 

Really? No ****? hmmmm...

sorry, my first day on the planet.

 

The looks don't really bother me that much. It isn't pretty, but it isn't really supposed to be.

 

Hmmm bring back race cars that are actually based off of production vehicles, and slow the cars down. Do they really need to be doing nearly 200mph? Would the racing be any less entertaining or exciting if they were "only" doing 150-160mph?

 

That's kind of the same problem that the NHL has with injuries vs. speed in the game.

So far they've stuck with speed, and I don't see NASCAR toning it down either.

 

Ugly.. uh sticker placement?

I do like the Challenger and like the fact that is looks like its road going counterpart with its recessed headlights and front fascia.

-spatakula

 

I'm still trying to figure out if the headlights on the Challenger and the Mustang are Recessed, or if they are just AMAZING Stickers. From the A-Pillar back, they are ALL Identical except for the stickers... If the Ford and Dodge are ACTUALLY recessed in the nose, they are likely to be at a disadvantage compared to the Toyota and Chevy. :dunno:
Considering that the specs on the cars are so tight, I'm not too terribly disappointed, even though I wish they'd gone to a looser spec with more brand-identity.
They haven't been "Stock" cars for a LONG time, and haven't looked close to their stock counterparts at all since the mid 90's, so we shouldn't be too surprised. With the Safety advances in NASCAR lately, I'm pretty sure that they'd rather stick with what they know will keep the drivers Safe, and work from there, rather than step backward in time.

A neat alternative would be to have a NEW Lower-Level series that is more true to the old "Stock-Car" style, from the era after tube-frames came into use, which has power and/or gear rules limiting the speed. Of course that would be boring on the "BIG" tracks, so IMO they should do a series on the Intermediate and especially the Short tracks, (Treat places over a mile almost as if they were like Daytona), 3 or 4 Road-Courses, and promote the HECK out the Series as the "NEW Old-School Racing", with Exciting commercials and plenty of TV time. It worked with the Truck Series, IMO it could work again and would give more drivers jobs and career-paths, and give crewmen opportunities as well. I guess the only problem would be Sponsorship money... Maybe.
I'm thinking it should be something between the Koni Challenge Series and the NASCAR Truck Series.
It would be Awesome to have them run VIR, Laguna Seca, Infineon Full-Course, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, and Road Atlanta, along with places like Rockingham, Martinsville, Bristol, ORP (formerly IRP), and Darlington.
They could call it the "Good Ol' Boys" Series if that wouldn't get them sued for being sexist. :lol:

 

One thing that does bother me...
Why is the Chevy still badged as an "Impala" even though the Camaro is on the Market?
:screwy:
It's kind of obvious with the Toyota, since they don't have a car that belongs on the track in ANY "Stock Car" form, that they'd keep the "Camry" name...

:dunno:

 

Chevrolet declined to use the Camaro based on the fact that "they did not want to chop up the classic lines of the car to make it fit the templates."

 

I wouldn't say that the Mustang's front fascia is recessed at all. It has the regular racecar shape with minimal distinguishable brand body lines. The Challenger on the other hand...

Look at the reflection on the bumper from the "Challenger" and "R/T" emblem and the grill lines. If it was not recessed those reflection would never appear. Also look at the white tubing going around the grill. In the first pic, from a higher angle, it shows the grill tubing cut off. Now take a look at the same car at a lower angle.

The entire grill tubing is showing.

I am kind of puzzled on why it is recessed though. Wouldn't that affect the aerodynamics substantially?

-spatakula

 

I am kind of puzzled on why it is recessed though. Wouldn't that affect the aerodynamics substantially?

-spatakula

I would think that it would affect things substantially.
The "Old-Schooler" in me says, "So What?".
The rest of me says, "If the entire rest of the car is built to such a tight spec, there's a problem there."

 

The Nationwide Mustang looks like CRAP compared to the Dodge...but maybe just because it's black

 

From an interview I heard with the Ford guy 2 weeks ago when they unvieled the Mustang they said Nascar basically came to them and said, "Here are the wind tunnel numbers you need to meet. What you bring from there is up to you."

 

Interesting then that so much is dictated. (A-Pillar to the rear).
I wonder as much or more about downforce as I do about drag.
:dunno:
Have you heard any explanation as to why they took this series to the use of splitters, despite all of the complaints from the Cup guys? From cut tires, to lack of downforce when behind someone, I'd have though that they would have gone a different route.
Also, what's up with that bizarro rear spoiler?
Interesting, but dang ugly.

Hmmm.

 

BTW Spat,
I just looked again...
Pic #23....
The noses on all 4 look fairly distinct in profile, and all have a recess to some degree, but none nearly as much as the Dodge. Even the Camry has a "character-line" around the grille-sticker.
I'm thinking that the "Mustang" hood has a tiny bit of over-hang too.
I'd like to see more angles and some closer shots.

 

Yeah. This was the only wildcard pic that made me think otherwise of the Mustang.

These things weren't just thrown together. It'll work.

Work and work well are two different concepts. I just cant see how that much of a flat plane could positively effect the car performance. Meh, what do I know anyways.

-spatakula

 

Man the Nationwide Mustang looks like a orthopedic shoe. Why dont they just cut the crap, strip, cage, build and, regulate the actual cars?????????????????????????

 

Because it would be a Different Series then.

Other Series do Exist, and you MAY have read my idea above for another one, but for the Nationwide Series, they Could NOT do as you suggest.

 

I was with you all the way up till the title of the series... There is somthing about that title that forces me not to like it.

 

Well, I think "Grassroots" is taken?
How about the "Ass, Gas, or Grass" Series?
:lol: