It shouldn't change anything, there is NOTHING in common between a NASCRAP car and anything on dealer lots other than the brand name stickers.

Just pull off those stickers and call them Formula Carburator cars:dunno::lol:

 

How come Nascar haters never have the maturity to call it Nascar instead of some under witty, over used nickname?

That like people coming up to me and saying..."Huh huh..you drive a fucus....huh huh". "Look at that Slocus....dur dur.."

Nascar is bigger than the big 3. I'm sure that they will overcome.


dave.

 

How come Nascar haters never have the maturity to call it Nascar instead of some under witty, over used nickname?

That like people coming up to me and saying..."Huh huh..you drive a fucus....huh huh". "Look at that Slocus....dur dur.."

dave.

Because we're trying to use an insult the NASCAR demographic will understand.:dunno:arty:

Sorry they lost me in the mid eighties when the cars didn't even try to look anything like a real car anymore. Then it transistioned into a spec series but still pretends to be "stock car" racing.

Really Carbs in 2008? Come on now. Call it what it is an oddball lowtech spec series.

The upside is like you said it's not only bigger than the Big 3, it has nothing but stickers in common with them.

If they all went under the only impact would be sponsorship.

 

NASCAR's future if there is NO gov't "bailout"?

It will become NASTARD, after all; the National Association of Slow Toyota Auto Racing Dee Dee Dee.

The Camrys; they are everywhere.

 

Formula 1 has been proactive... and is going as far as requiring implementation of brake energy regeneration on the cars.

NASSCRAP is stuck using carbs.


Adapt or die.

 

There's nothing wrong with using carbs.
What is with you people?
ALSO, the MFR's spend LOTS of Money on R&D with the teams.
I don't care if stickers are all that they have in common with a production-line car, there is HUGE money from the Big 3, especially the Big 2.
MILLIONS of Dollars.
Back to the OP...
IF it happens, (Pray that it won't), they will likely become a Truly "Spec Car" series in the Fullest Extent, and they will lose many fans, but they will survive, even if it's only with dinky open-wheel-sized fields.
The FULL extent of the damage will be dictated by how badly the Economy as a Whole affects the Average person's Entertainment Budget.

 

R&D?


How many 2009 MY vehicles have carbs on em? What kind of R&D can be done on an engine (we certainly know they're not R&Ding the body style) that isn't in practical use.

Hell... ford wants to move to direct injection. Unless NASSCRAP wants to allow that... then I don't see how the R&D is entirely valid.

 

There's nothing wrong with using carbs.

...on a racing engine.

Carbs and fuel injection can make the same w.o.t. power, but injection is much more efficient for idle and part-throttle cruise.

There's just NO way a carburetted engine can idle as clean as a digitally-controlled electronic fuel injected engine, with or without cats... DFI pwnz.

 

clearly, anyone who thinks a nascar car has anything to do with a production car is very mislead. The only thing they have in common is stickers that look like the headlights of the car it's supposed to emulate

 

^ Obviously, but that wasn't always the case...

They started out with production cars in the late '40s and were continuing to use (mostly) production floorpans through at least the early '70s.
:lol:

Here's something from the early '70s; this looks like a '71 Torino:

 

clearly, anyone who thinks a nascar car has anything to do with a production car is very mislead. The only thing they have in common is stickers that look like the headlights of the car it's supposed to emulate

That's established, and nobody has contested that fact. Next Point...
Regarding carbs... We Are TALKING ABOUT Racing, so who cares?
They can develop other methods of intake in other series.
Regarding R&D...
There is SOME Wind-Tunnel use still.
There is Head Development, among other Engine Developments.
Regarding "NASSCRAP"... ... Until YOU can Drive one at even 9/10ths, Quit with the Ugly Hateful names. The trendiness is unbecoming of an "Automotive Enthusiast".

 

NASCAR going away or at least being forced to change to something other than "bunch of cars doing 400+ laps on a circle track for 3-4 hours while ******** get drunk hoping for a big accident" might be the silver lining if the big three go under...

 

Here's something from the early '70s; this looks like a '71 Torino:

:rock:
East TN Ford is 10 minutes from my house.
It was bought out and became "Lance Cunningham Ford" back in the early 90's, but my family bought vehicles from there a couple of times across the years.
They sponsored NASCAR Fords throughout the late 60's into the 70's, when a Dealership could actually afford that sort of Logo-Placement.

 

We Are TALKING ABOUT Racing, so who cares?

Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday...

Plenty of people care. Environmental concerns have become mainstream, at least on either coast.

I'd like to see the cars injected. There'd certainly be no more wiring or electronics than they're running now, lol; what with dual MSDs, etc... an engine management box would replace those items and think about the bitchin' IR manifolds! Eight sweet stacks...

 

NASCAR going away or at least being forced to change to something other than "bunch of cars doing 400+ laps on a circle track for 3-4 hours while ******** get drunk and watch hoping for a big accident" might be the silver lining if the big three go under...

Oh SNAP! Another clever, "I hope it goes away" post...
:lol:


There's more to the racing than that, if one knows anything about fuel strategy and how the cars need ajusting to track conditions to stay at the head of the pack to be there at the end to win.

Technically speaking, from a chassis and handling standpoint...

 

NASCAR going away or at least being forced to change to something other than "bunch of cars doing 400+ laps on a circle track for 3-4 hours while ******** get drunk hoping for a big accident" might be the silver lining if the big three go under...

OK, BITE ME.
Like I said to Todd, Until you can Drive one at even 9/10ths, don't bother posting anything as uninformed and ignorant as the above.
Your Stereotypical lack of insight is worse than the Stereotype that you're Trying to Mock.
:thumbdown
Would you be pleased if I called Ska "A bunch of "Oompa Music on Speed for Idiots who are just bright enough to enjoy some trumpets with their punk"?
I'd think not.

 

^ Easy, now...

There are some who don't really understand what it takes to actually drive a racecar at those speeds.

See, it makes no difference which direction the cars have to turn; the fact that the driver has to send a 3500 lb sled with tires into a corner at over 200 takes skill behind the wheel and a car that's built to endure the stresses of operating at those speeds and conditions...

 

^ Easy, now...

There are some who don't really understand what it takes to actually drive a racecar at those speeds.

Obviously.
"Physics" Escapes too many people who purport to enjoy "Racing".
It doesn't take much to appreciate the efforts and skills if one has any working knowledge of the topic.

 

Hey, we're all enthusiasts here... can't we all get along?
:lol:

Peace OUT, bros.

 

^ Obviously, but that wasn't always the case...

They started out with production cars in the late '40s and were continuing to use (mostly) production floorpans through at least the early '70s.
:lol:

Exactly why the addage "win on sunday, sell on monday" is long gone. Back in the day you could go buy the exact car that won the race the very next day. Which is why it made sense for the Big 3 to be involved. Now? Not so much.


As to the "until I can do it" bullcrap.... give it up already. If I could, and I suppose that I might if I tried, I wouldn't want to.

 

Hey, we're all enthusiasts here... can't we all get along?
:lol:

That's MY Hope.
Some people just HAVE to show their backsides though...

 

Exactly why the addage "win on sunday, sell on monday" is long gone. Back in the day you could go buy the exact car that won the race the very next day. Which is why it made sense for the Big 3 to be involved. Now? Not so much.

Of Course on Most of that, but think about this...
Can you go buy ANY of the Rally Cars in the WRC?
Their Computer chips cost more than the entire stock vehicle.
Does that make the racing, the fans, OR the MFR Involvement any less justified?
There is STILL a "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" factor.
In NASCAR it's been Greatly Reduced, but there's still some Pride on the table, even if the cars differ from what you can go purchase.

 

Would you be pleased if I called Ska "A bunch of "Oompa Music on Speed for Idiots who are just bright enough to enjoy some trumpets with their punk"?
I'd think not.

Well, at least I was in the ballpark with my comparison of NASCAR with driving in circles while inebriated ******** cheer at the slightest collision...

I apologize that I lack your refined taste in being able to plant yourself in front of a TV for hours and marvel at a driver's ability to reduce his number of pit stops by drafting the driver in front of him. Heaven forbid should someone not have the same exact tastes/opinions as you, your lordship...

 

Well, at least I was in the ballpark with my comparison of NASCAR with driving in circles while inebriated ******** cheer at the slightest collision...

I apologize that I lack your refined taste in being able to plant yourself in front of a TV for hours and marvel at a driver's ability to reduce his number of pit stops by drafting the driver in front of him. Heaven forbid should someone not have the same exact tastes/opinions as you, your lordship...

You've Completely Missed it.
First off, there are only a FEW "Drafting" tracks, and I Don't care for Daytona or Talladega too much.
You may have different tastes, regardless of your insulting attitude.
I personally LIKE Ska OK, but my description is Just as Accurate as Your Description of NASCAR.
It was Intentionally "Close But Incorrect" just to make the point.
If you'd quit Insulting, MAYBE we could get along.

 

Of Course on Most of that, but think about this...
Can you go buy ANY of the Rally Cars in the WRC?
Their Computer chips cost more than the entire stock vehicle.
Does that make the racing, the fans, OR the MFR Involvement any less justified?
There is STILL a "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" factor.
In NASCAR it's been Greatly Reduced, but there's still some Pride on the table, even if the cars differ from what you can go purchase.

How much money does Ford put into WRC?

Not 10% that they do on NASSCRAP.

Ford has been trimming the WRC budget year after year. And yet the cars get more expensive.... and more relevant. As to buying a rally car... at least I can buy a car that has the same engine and the same body as is raced in the WRC, thanks to the FIA's homolgomation rules.