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Any of our sponsors have any "PRE"-TSB aftermarket clutches (stage 3'ish, preferably with a kevlar disc). I know those hats aren't made anymore but I've got a pre-TSB aluminum fly that I'd like to use, but it looks like its just going to be an expensive paperweight.
 

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*crickets*
 

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Nope. Been gone forever. It was great there for a while - was selling all of my local Ford dealers clutch/FW setups as even Ford didnt have the revised/superceded design.

Gotta purchase a whole setup - clutch and FW.
 

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I was under the impression that most of the aftermarket SVT clutches were of the smaller design as were the aftermarket aluminum flywheels. :dunno:
 

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So the new designs are a completely different size altogether and cannot be altered to fit the pre-TSB flywheels, or vice versa?
 

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Does this mean all the guys that bought aluminum flywheels over the years can not get replacement disc-pressure plate kits for their cars now and will need complete kits?
 

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That's exactly why I asked the question Steve. Dick move by the manufacturers if that's the case. I have a Clutchnet 12lb aluminum flywheel and I guess its now just a paper weight, can't even sell the damn thing anymore. FAIL
 

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Pretty much. If you bought a Clutch Masters setup in the last 3 years or so, you'd be able to purchase a replacement disc or plate for that FW. I imagine the dudes at Spec would have done the same with theirs.

I know Fidanza has been blowing out FW's on ebay lately that used the old style setup, leaving the consumer with a pretty wall hanging or basis for a killer clock.

I blame Ford really, or maybe Sachs, who if I recall correctly actually made the original stuff.

It's imagine they disco'd it because it was flawed - the design was fraught with issues.
 

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Pretty much. If you bought a Clutch Masters setup in the last 3 years or so, you'd be able to purchase a replacement disc or plate for that FW. I imagine the dudes at Spec would have done the same with theirs.

I know Fidanza has been blowing out FW's on ebay lately that used the old style setup, leaving the consumer with a pretty wall hanging or basis for a killer clock.

I blame Ford really, or maybe Sachs, who if I recall correctly actually made the original stuff.

It's imagine they disco'd it because it was flawed - the design was fraught with issues.
Ford knew they had produced them with an undersized, basically flawed clutch and decided to supercede it to a newer, better design.

Nothing is stopping the aftermarket companies from producing replacement parts for the original SVT clutches. :dunno:

I helped my neighbor install a new clutch in his early 90's Dodge diesel truck and he went through several aftermarket clutches before he found one he liked.

All that said, I'm still on my original clutch with 106k on it and I know of guys over 200k on original SVT clutches.



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Nothing is stopping the aftermarket companies from producing replacement parts for the original SVT clutches. :dunno:

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The pressure plate stamping is not available. That's the problem. The aftermarket clutch companies utilize them as their basis. The cost of tooling one up is prohibitive.

They could make a billet one - thats not cheap. Additionally, at this point alot of folks already switched to something else as well. And it's extremely difficult if not impossible to for most to cut/turn/resurface a dual mass flywheel... So in the end it's very close in price to just get a complete new clutch FW setup that also does away with the problematic dual mass FW and weighs a bunch less to boot.
 

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Yeah but I'm not working with a dual mass flywheel, that's why I'm pissed lol.
 

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The pressure plate stamping is not available. That's the problem. The aftermarket clutch companies utilize them as their basis. The cost of tooling one up is prohibitive.

They could make a billet one - thats not cheap. Additionally, at this point alot of folks already switched to something else as well. And it's extremely difficult if not impossible to for most to cut/turn/resurface a dual mass flywheel... So in the end it's very close in price to just get a complete new clutch FW setup that also does away with the problematic dual mass FW and weighs a bunch less to boot.
That was kind of my point with the story of the Dodge, he bought one aftermarket clutch that had a stamped steel pressure plate and one that had a cast pressure plate.

The OEM plate was cast but was obviously different than the aftermarket one, it's simply a matter of an aftermarket company producing a new stamping.

The question isn't about OEM replacement parts, it's about clutch parts to work with aftermarket flywheels that have already been produced.
 

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Wait, so the new updated OEM flywheel design is not a dual mass at all?
 

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If you have a pre-tsb diameter Fidanza, you can have it altered by the guys at Southbend to fit up to one of their Audi PP/Disk setups. They refer to it as their "Rally" clutch kit. Everyone I've spoken to who's running it, LOVES it. This will be the route that I will be going later this year. 99dot is running one on his turbo SVT that's putting down 300+hp & torque and is having zero issues. :thumbup:
 
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