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Jonathan21080

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Hi,

I am new to the headers information. I would like to know what are difference between them and how many types of headers are out there?? I have seen on the websites that sell this headers and they specify its for Racing/off road ONLY, why?? What does the header do to the performance of the car and would it make the car brake down on the long run?? Thanks in advance!!
 
well Ill give you a little taste untill a pro can come and give you the rest,

basically a header is the same as your manifold that comes on your car from the factory, but they flow much better and therfore give you more power. Im not sure what a header will do to your car with no other exhaust changes, but you will probably be looking at a 5 HP gain, with a new flexpipe and cat back system maybe a 10 or so HP gain.

there are a few different styles of header (for these cars they are called "header" not header"s" a four cylinder engine only has one bank, a v6 or v8 has two banks of 3(v6) or 4(v8) so there would be two header"s"

for our cars I know of two different kinds of headers, a 4-1 which means there are 4 ports where the air comes in from your cylinder head, and they all combine into one to flow out into your cat back.
4-2-1, which takes the 4 ports and goes down into two different pipes, then those two join into one to flow into your cat back. I think the 4-2-1 actually work better, but im not sure.

Ive seen them come in two different pieces, the part that goes onto your cylinder head, and then a pipe that goes down from it to connect to your flexpipe
and a one piece assembly, which is self explanitory.

and when they say that its for off road only I think that basically is a legal thing that they have to say to not get sued. you need to watch what kind you get, cause if you keep your stock cat back system, you will need one with spaces (bungs) for the 02 sensors, but if you are changing them both (header and cat back), then I think you can get something called a mil eliminator, (mil stands for (M)alfuncion (I)ntication (L)ight) which is more commonly called a check engine light. and this basically tricks your computer into thinking your 02 sensors are getting a good reading, so your computer doesnt go all crazy thinking somethings wrong.

if you do it right, I dont think it will do anything that could be harmfull for your car.

thats about all I got, if you need anything specific Ill try to help.
 
wow blue thats a lot of good info, i think the only thing i could add is the a 4-1 header has less back pressure than a 4-2-1 header, and i believe our cars being 4cyl needs more back pressure than a 4-1 gives i maybe wrong but i have heard alot of time a 4-2-1 is the way to go with small displacement.
 
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So if I change my header I will be having the engine light comming on the board because the o2 is too much for the engine??

I was thinking of first changing the exhaust then put a header to my car. Do you know if just changing the exhaust would make the check engine light come out?

What does the back pressure actually means and helps the car?

Oh and thaks for the info, its being very helpful!!
 
No car 'needs' backpressure. That's a myth.

Most people confuse it with exhaust gas velocity. The reason you have a header, with all of its bends, instead of just straight piping, is for exhaust scavenging. What this does is times the 4 exhaust gas pulses from the engine, so that when they hit the collector, they come out evenly... as each pulse come out, it creates a little suction behind it, making it easier for the next pulse to come out of the manifold, creating more power.

Think of it along the lines of how truckers, or race car drivers, 'draft' one another to cut down on wind resistance.

As for the backpressure/exhaust velocity thing, if you have too large a diameter of exhaust piping, at lower RPMs the exhaust pulses will move too slowly to create that scavenging (drafting) effect. For instance, if the car 'needed' backpressure, then you could just stick a huge 3" exhaust on it, but have a restrictive muffler. In reality, this would simply make no power.... instead, most aftermarket Focus exhausts are a decent 2 1/4 diameter tubing (2.5" on SVT and higher power models) with a straight-through silencer.

Typically, a 4-2-1 will retain a little bottom-end power, and be a little quieter than a 4-1. The 4-1 will make more mid-range and top-end power, however.

I hope this in some way makes sense.... i've just woken up, and have had no coffee. I've discussed this in detail on other boards i've been on with my past vehicles (try telling a 4x4 guy that his 4" exhaust won't make any power, even though its really loud!!)
 
I believe blue covered the most of it.

The reason they are listed as off road use only is because the race header takes away the Cat converter, meaning that your car will no longer pass the smog tests that some states require.

As far as them breaking, I haven't seen to many issues with them, I have personally had a focus sport on for 2 years and around 50,000 miles and have had no issues other than it sticks lower than the rest of my engine so I have dented it some on parking bumpers.

It is a nice horsepower increase in the top end without taking anything away from the bottom. If you were going with a header it would make sense to do a full exhaust so you can get everything out of it and make it flow better.

Andrew
 
Casper said:
No car 'needs' backpressure. That's a myth.
Although it is true that backpressure does reduce the engine's ability to breath, it does prevent intake gases from entering the exhaust system.
 
Jeffery said:
Although it is true that backpressure does reduce the engine's ability to breath, it does prevent intake gases from entering the exhaust system.
Valve overlap will make a far bigger difference on that then backpressure would.
 
there are also shorty headers which are better than the stock mani but not by much those alow you to retain the factory cat location if you want. only real reason to have the shorty if you can get away with the race header is if you want more bling.
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There is the FS header
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There is the jba shorty header

OBX from e bay is a great deal they make a shorty and a race header. but the FS header has outstanding support behind it. but it is also twice the cost of the OBX
 
I'm getting the OBX 4-1 Shorty with a race pipe due to bi-annual sniffer tests where I live. It'll pass a visual inspection, as the pipe looks like it has a cat. Then I can swap it out for the OEM downpipe and cat for my testing. Cost effective, good power gains, and really convienent.
 
EdelBrock
Ford Racing
Hedman Headers
Pacesetter *puke*
JBA
MAC
........I think that's it.

I'm not sure on how much of a performance boost the shorties give but Good Golly Miss Moll they are a PITA to install compared to Long Tube. I gave it a shot once and gave up after the total amount of injuries between me and buddy was 5. Plus people SAY you need a High Flow Cat otherwise it would burn out....I'm not sure why that is since my Ford Racing Header releases more heat than the stock Iron Header ever did.
 
all of thos mentioned above me i think are shortys. you really can NOT go wrong with the FS 4-1 i think the FC header may be 4-1 but it now is a re badged and made by obx
 
is it worth it to swap the zx3 header for the SVT? how much power difference would there be?
 
all of thos mentioned above me i think are shortys. you really can NOT go wrong with the FS 4-1 i think the FC header may be 4-1 but it now is a re badged and made by obx
Sorry about that. For some reason I thought you wanted to know what brands of Shorty Headers were available.
 
somainevent said:
is it worth it to swap the zx3 header for the SVT? how much power difference would there be?
Nobody has done an 'apples to apples' SVT header vs. the others dyno. I have one and I love it. It doesn't make the raspy 'ricer' sound the 4 to 1 header makes.

The tone of the SVT header is unique in that it is quiet with a nice mellow tone. 'Course, like anything, you can screw this up by putting a crappy (my opinion) system behind it.

I'm using a RT hi-flow cat and an HKS flex-back on mine. Nice and quiet with a low, mellow sound.

In my opinion, a street exhaust should be about sound quality, not sound level.' Course, we know what they say about opinions. :)
 
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