And what good is any of this accomplishing? The time you have spent lashing, you could have spent being creative. Make something work. I know I didn't have anything to do with it until now. I read the thread because I too am interested in a good looking flare that works with the stock bumpers. I plan to start fabbing something up fairly soon. I wouldn't mind collaborating and hearing your ideas as well. Either way, I think this thread is over.