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SVT-- PLEASE READ AND RESPOND- FJ\'ers Please Camp On!

First, let me say that I love my '03 SVTF. I think that it is an amazing car for the money, but I have a few minor complaints and ONE BIG gripe. I am hopeful that someone at SVT can address the BIG GRIPE and help out.

First, the BIG GRIPE:

1) Why can't FORD recognize that SVT owners are Enthusiasts and we will want to tune our cars. In my mind it is absolutely ridiculous that SVT or Ford does not sponsor a forced induction solution! I realize that a bolt-on turbo kit is not that feasible, but a bolt on supercharger should be a no-brainer. I find it hard to believe that Ford could not offer a solution similar to the JRSC system or partner with JRSC to offer a bolt-on SC with upgraded fuel management (custom chip, not a "black-box")and WARRANTY support (doesn't have to be for the full period just something like 2yrs/24k). DODGE offers FI from the factory on the SRT-4 and upgrades to that package. MINI offers a Cooper S and a factory tuning upgrade (Cooper Works package). Why can't Ford offer a Supercharger with customized engine management software? I don't mean to rant, but I have to believe that many of us would gladly pay $2500-$3500 plus installation for something like this, and the resultant cars would give Ford a real shot-in-the-arm in the Sport Compact tuning scene. We don't need a Focus RS, just some support from Ford and SVT!

Now, for the small issues:

1) Why spend money for steering wheel controls for the audio system? I would much rather have seen the money spent on upgrading the map light area. That's the only part of the interior that looks cheap.

2) As for the audio systems: I realize that Ford may have contracts with Visteon, but on a factory tuner car like the SVTF couldn't we just get a decent head unit that already has RCA pre-outs and CD-changer controls or satellite radio so that we can "tune" the ICE without having to spoil the OEM appearance. The audiophile package is merely okay. I suspect that most buyers of the SVTF would appreciate this much more than steering wheel controls. We are car enthusiasts, after all, and we WILL be tweaking our cars.

3) Decent seats: I appreciate the fact that the SVTF seats are an upgrade over the standard Focus seats, but can't we get some real sport seats without the expense of the Euro package. I'm not talking anything fancy here. I would just like a nice, manually adjustable sport seat that is comfortable for long drives and suitable for recreational autocrossing and occasional track time. I can't believe that is that hard to do; DODGE did it for the SRT-4.

4) Lighter Wheels: 21lbs per wheel is not acceptable. Enthusiasts know the value of lightweight wheels. Maybe the '04 wheels weight less?

Thanks for listening.

PMB
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Re: SVT-- PLEASE READ AND RESPOND- FJ\'ers Please Camp On!

The answer to all your hopes and dreams, PMB.....meet SEMA.

~Dave
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You are not going to get any official or semi-official reply from anyone at SVT. Ford Security has ordered them not to post here. That said, they do read it and I frequently see posts that I suspect are from SVT people in disguise
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I love my steering wheel audio controls!
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i ask myself these quesitons all the time. The whole induction thing is the worst, why is ford always so far beind time? I mean it took ten years for the cobra to be inducted.

And for the seats, look at the RSX type S, those are nice seats, nothing real fancy but really nice and clean looking, and more importantly comfortable.

Another thing that I don't like is the stupid little black lip in the front, why coudldn't ford add something like the Kaminari (how ever you spell it) Nonetheless I love my car, I just wish ford would open there eyes and see what they compettion is doing.
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My guess is that Ford is not behind. They are sitting back watching all of this. They knew about the SRT-4 long before any of us. They know what is coming, they know what we like and dont like. The SVT F is still, imo, the best car under 20K. That is considering EVERYTHING...not just straight line power (srt-4). Just watch, they are gonna have something that will blow the srt-4 out of the water. It might be a little more than 20K, but we are asking for something more than 20K, so believe me it will come. I cant wait either. This is all my opinion, but I am pretty optimistic that they are all over this. Just like they are all over every part of the automotive market.
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Thanks for all the activity on this. I realize that we will not see an official response from SVT.

I also recognize how inherently good the SVTF is.

I don't agree that I am asking for anything that would cost more than $20k. Case in point, the JRSC kit is around $2900. I purchased my SVTF for $16k. The aftermarket is ALWAYS more expensive than what it would cost for an OEM manufacturer to produce the same product. Adding the two together comes to around $19500. Now, I also recognize that such a number is not MSRP, but the reality is that no one pays MSRP for a car in this day and age.

My point, I would be willing to pay a little extra to have a FI kit that does not void my warranty and seamlessly integrates with and improves upon an already great product.
Plus, I don't think that it is wrong to ask that Ford recognize that enthusiasts buy SVT products and to help us enjoy and promote their product by listening to our needs and helping us tweak our cars.

Good simple seats don't cost any more than bad seats. Why should it be hard for us to add on to the OEM radio? WHy can't we go into a dealer and buy a Ford FI product and have the dealer install it. It's a simple, elegant solutions to the DSM problem and makes buying an SVTF a no-brainer.

PMB
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My understanding is that the JRC is available though your Ford Racing Parts net work. And as long as you have it installed buy the one of the dealers in the network your factory Warrant is not void. I did some research in to this matter myself and found this out thought a Ford dealer hear in MD.

I had the pleasure of going to the SVT on Track Event at Beaverun this weekend, and got the meet some the people from SVT. The impression I get from then is that Ford and SVT is totally committed to Developing there products, and the really appreciate there customers and what we do with our cars, some of the dealers may not. I was a bit disappointed that there was only one other SAT Focus there, I think that we need the get more involved in the SVTOA and let them know how much fun we are having with these cars.

I know I digressed somewhat but I think that you should find a way to jet your thoughts about your Focus to SVT. The cool thing about your cars is we tend to drive then everyday, most of the Cobras Owners I ran in t where saying how there cars never would have been out on such a S__ty day like we had.
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I personally don,t think Ford is banking on an entry level car being able to bring in $30K like the Volvo AWD {which Ford owns} and the New Mazda platform . I love My SVTF and am throwing $K's and $K's to make it compete in the same arena as the imports. I'd like to **tch slap Ole billy bob Ford.Back to basics my 88s. Oh, Does Anyone REALY use the steeringwheel audio control??
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Oh, Does Anyone REALY use the steeringwheel audio control??
Absolutely. My right hand already has to steer (sometimes), shift, work climate controls, use multi-function switch on steering column, cruise (coast, set accel and resume), etc. Left hand only has to steer and work turn signals, dimmer and the "on" button for cruise. I like being able to work the ICE with the left hand.

Also, even though the dash ICE controls are well-located, you still end up glancing at them when you use them - the steering-wheel controls are used by touch - don't have to look away from the task of driving.
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Oh, Does Anyone REALY use the steeringwheel audio control??
I used them yesterday morning. Of course, that is only because I happened to notice them. For an unknown number of months beforehand I had completely forgotten that the audio controls were there. Which tells you about how much value I place on them.
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I use the audio control so much I've never used the radio buttons!

Simply put, I can feel for the controls and control the radio without having to look at the radio, or take my eyes off the road.

There is nothing wrong with the audiophile system, and for an OEM setup, it's outstanding. Try to duplicate it with the aftermarket for the same price. I used to be into all the stereo craze stuff but not anymore, there are probably just as many of us who WON'T mod that as there is that will.

You see, SVT has been tuning stock Fords for 10 years now, they know that most SVT products tend to remain stock as they get traded in, not as many people mod them as you think. Focus is different because its in a younger market. Ford doesn't see 20-somethings buying LIghtnings and Cobras, they see middle aged owners. With Focus, its a younger market, and they took Focus in this direction. They took the MSP in the other, I'm sure they are gauging responses and with the next SVTF, we'll see the result.

The SVTF gets out of its own way just fine, if Dodge never built the SRT-4 no one would be calling it way underpowered, it isn't much slower than its other competition, and is faster than some even. Idon't understand your point on mods for it either, there are forced induction offerings for this car not even a year after its release, my SHO JUST got a SC kit for it and its been out of production for 4 years now.

Sorry that you hate the seats, I for one, love 'em! But I'll admit I'd like the recaros more.
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Radio controls , love'm

Seats could be a little tighter or like the cobra

Power........ It stupid NOT to offer the power...... WTF

Dodge added more power in one year

We are not askin for paddle shifting or AWD or 500 WHP , we need more poewer. Hell even the 2.3 is nearly as fast stock, out just a couple months and it is FASTER.

The SVT 4 wheel disks ABS, love them, their great......


2004 or 2005 better have some power upgrades into the 250 HP or the other car will take the market, get off your thumbs and add some power Ford / SVT.

LSD........... that electronic thing is stupid........ Quafe all the way
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They kept the power low so the svt focus didn't hurt MUSTANG sales, what a turd I wish they would scrap that crap heap chassy.
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I use my steering wheel controls for the audio package almost exclusively. I am now at the point that I don't think I would own another car without steering wheel controls for the stereo.

I have to agree that I wish Ford would have backed a FI package that wouldn't void the warranty.

And Shmoges they are scrapping the mustang chasis real soon.. I would assume you have seen the '05 concept photos.
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<font color="black"> i too love my audio controls, but there is a serious lack of lighting for the back seat. and as far as ford being behind in the tuner scene i full heartedly agree. i see it something like this at the big bad ford fortress high atop mount doom.....you've got different "focus" groups for all the cars. mustang, focus, f150,250 etc., i also think there is a room where the svt guys get together and spit out ideas. i envision these people pumping big displacement through their viens and look at tuning the focus as more of a chore than a joy. and yeah i've seen the interviews w/ the guys from svt and it just supports my theory. that theory is simply this, if your on the sidelines observing the scene all you might see is rims, bodykits, audio systems and fogs. if your observing you might pickup a couple of mags and notice the different interiors and the girls, girls, girls, girls, and grills. so in theory i don't think there are any guys in the tuner scene on that svt team. and if there were someone in the scene in that svt team we'd all have a form of fi on are cars and hot women dressed in very little riding shotgun.</font>
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Well what I have to say to you is that "have you heard of the FOCUS RS". It is a 250 horespower turbocharged focus that Ford does produce. It is produced over in europe and it can be imported. I know I looked into it and had a brocher sent over from europe. The cost is about 31,000 for the car plus importing it. It does have what you or are looking for. I don't know why your complaning about the seat I think they are very nice for trip and daily driving. They also have a SVT owner of america club or something along those lines. Oh yeah last remor I heard they were thinking of importing a 300hrspower all wheel drive focus in 2005 buts its just remor.

2003 liquid gray ZX3

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Re: SVT-- PLEASE READ AND RESPOND- FJ\'ers Please Camp On!

Once again thanks for the comments. I have to agree that it seems like SVT is merely observing the sport compact scene. And from the outside, the sport compact scene appears obsessed with rims, neon, big spoilers, and things that make your car SLOW.

However, my experience with the sport compact scene has been more with VW owners and the related groups wherein people are into the OEM+ look and additions to the car that make (1) handle better, (2) go faster, and (3) stop sooner.

I love my SVTF! The stop sooner part is pretty well in hand. The car is quick and balanced but I wish Ford would make it (1) go faster and (2) handle even better.

In my mind the SVTF should be a sport compact similar in concept to the BMW M3CSL featured in European Car this month. This should be a car for Drivers. Therefore, take the gloves off Ford and really show us what you can do. I can't think of a more balanced and better overall sports car for the money than the SVTF, but with just a little more effort, nothing in the segment would even come close.

I have to say one last thing about the steering wheel audio controls. They are nice, but I think they are unnecessary. The location of the HU in the Focus is nearly ideal, and with big, fat buttons and a fleshy knob, I always found myself using the controls on the HU instead. My point is that the audio controls are largely invisible while the cheap map light switches practically scream economy car. And, would it actually kill a manufacturer to include a HU with provisions for RCA outs and a remote turn-on lead for those of us who want to build our own "audiophile" system?

PMB
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Woah did soomeone say that SVT noticed that there were not many of their cars being modded?? Thats a crazy statement! Go to your local SVTOA meeting, look at the number of 500+ RWHP Cobra's and lightnings and tell me that the SVT community is not mod friendly!!! I am baffled at the lack of support that Ford has thrown behind the SVT Focus. The first thing they should have done when the car came out was allow aftermarket suppliers to have access to the damn ECU codes! Second, they have worked with Jackson Racing on the Supercharger for project cars, why not allow a limited powertrain warranty with it? Maybe it could void the warranty on specific items, but not the entire powertrain assembly! FORD Help us help you!! Your financial situation over the next 5 years is tenuous! Give me a reason to spend another $20 to $25k with your company. Give us an upgraded version of the SVTF (more go, not more show) and I will take the loss on my current car and buy one! I promise...you can print this out and show it to me with the car!
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Re: SVT-- PLEASE READ AND RESPOND- FJ\'ers Please Camp On!

Well what I have to say to you is that "have you heard of the FOCUS RS". It is a 250 horespower turbocharged focus that Ford does produce. It is produced over in europe and it can be imported. I know I looked into it and had a brocher sent over from europe. The cost is about 31,000 for the car plus importing it. It does have what you or are looking for. I don't know why your complaning about the seat I think they are very nice for trip and daily driving. They also have a SVT owner of america club or something along those lines. Oh yeah last remor I heard they were thinking of importing a 300hrspower all wheel drive focus in 2005 buts its just remor.

2003 liquid gray ZX3

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The RS is 215-220 HP. I think the argument here is Ford is losing ground against the competition in the US, and we haven't seen any form of response yet. Why should we have to import a car that will end up costing us at least $33000 to compete with cars that are a little more than $20k?
I could get an EVO or STi and have money left over for that much.

And to my knowledge, there is no production AWD Focus that generates 300 hp. That would probably be the WRC Focus of which you've heard.
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