The truth about fake HID's

Reza · Nov 5, 2005

Aftermarket HID kits are illegal due to the glare that they cause. Glare is Light that is emitted in a Uncontrollable path. When light is traveling in a uncontrollable path it can hit other vehicle operators affecting there vision because of the High amount of uncontrollable light that is being Emitted from a HID kit in a standard Halogen housing. If you have ever turned a flashlight on right in front of your face while it is dark out, that is the same feeling that the other drivers on the road experience from a standard HID kit.

OEM Vehicles such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus are all equipped with HID or Xenon Headlights. Some use reflector housing’s without projectors. Others use HID projectors.

The Lexus IS300 is a Prime Example of a HID reflector housing. It does not use a Projector. It uses a Specially designed Reflector housing that is meant to use HID. This does not create the Super sharp cutoff. But it does control where the light is being Emitted.

Other vehicles such as the Honda S2000 Use HID projectors, These Projectors are meant to use HID. They are Specially Designed and have been tested Hundreds of times to get the right projection of light while maintaining a Good Cutoff.

fake HID kits.

now the real HID

another S2000 Retrofit

Comparison.. Pictured is a Acura TL-S with HID from the factory vs H4 6000K civic
See the difference?

To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.

Majikal · Nov 5, 2005

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made sticky and edited the title to reflect the topic.

63330 · Nov 5, 2005

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mine look like the ones in the picture 3 from the top

good ol ford factory mach hidz

CrUziN4L · Nov 5, 2005

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finally, i got denied last time i wanted to sticky this stuff

Kaduku · Nov 7, 2005

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wow, that's cool, now I can't wait til' they have HID's that'll fit the 05...real ones.....so are the Hella kits, real HIDs? hmm...

CrUziN4L · Nov 8, 2005

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wow, that's cool, now I can't wait til' they have HID's that'll fit the 05...real ones.....so are the Hella kits, real HIDs? hmm...

well there are no 'real' HID's for the 05 yet...for older foci, the Hella dual beam housingings along with their HID kit are real and from what i have seen look pretty good on the road but not as good as the MACH's

-chris

jonszx3 · Nov 10, 2005

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now some toyotas and acuras have HIDs and not projectors, or so it seems. the housing looks like a normal housing. whats the difference between that and doing the "fake" hids? i really am just curious, cause even when they are driving it doesnt seem like they have hid projectors, just hids.

Jon

focusonfocus · Nov 10, 2005

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i believe that 1st and 2nd pic cars are examples of bad installation..
1st seems like beam is facing up, possibly fixable by lower beam.
2nd seems like bulb is installed upside down.

pitchblack23 · Nov 10, 2005

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now some toyotas and acuras have HIDs and not projectors, or so it seems. the housing looks like a normal housing. whats the difference between that and doing the "fake" hids? i really am just curious, cause even when they are driving it doesnt seem like they have hid projectors, just hids.

Some luxury vehicles use HIDs with reflectors, which is what I think you mean. "Normal" reflectors are designed to reflect as much of the bulb's output as possible forward. Because the bulb is fairly dim, they don't have to worry much about where the light goes, as long as it's illuminating the road ahead. Reflector-based HID systems are specially designed to concentrate the light low, because it can easily blind oncoming drivers if it isn't controlled. If you use a HID kit to install high intensity bulbs into a reflector not designed for them, the light will be scattered all over, including into other drivers' eyes.

CrUziN4L · Nov 11, 2005

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now some toyotas and acuras have HIDs and not projectors, or so it seems. the housing looks like a normal housing. whats the difference between that and doing the "fake" hids? i really am just curious, cause even when they are driving it doesnt seem like they have hid projectors, just hids.

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Some luxury vehicles use HIDs with reflectors, which is what I think you mean. "Normal" reflectors are designed to reflect as much of the bulb's output as possible forward. Because the bulb is fairly dim, they don't have to worry much about where the light goes, as long as it's illuminating the road ahead. Reflector-based HID systems are specially designed to concentrate the light low, because it can easily blind oncoming drivers if it isn't controlled. If you use a HID kit to install high intensity bulbs into a reflector not designed for them, the light will be scattered all over, including into other drivers' eyes.

on the contrary...u are right about they are'designed for the light'

but its the actual reflectors themselves that are designed for the amount of Lumens HID's put out, they can withstand and hold that high number...on top of it, many include levelers to insure the aiming is always right

-chris

CrUziN4L · Nov 11, 2005

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i believe that 1st and 2nd pic cars are examples of bad installation..
1st seems like beam is facing up, possibly fixable by lower beam.
2nd seems like bulb is installed upside down.

may be fixed by lowering the beam, but it does not fix that the HID's are not meant to be installed in the housing because the reflector was not designed for the amount of lumens

so yes, HID's can be installed and aimed low so they are somewhat safe for the road...but all it takes is a bump or two to throw off your aiming at the wrong time for a disaster.

so use caution when saying they can be 'fixed' so easily...i agree because i have seen ur lights, but it still doesn't cover all the problems with retrofitting

-chris

jonszx3 · Nov 11, 2005

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what exactly is retrofitting? putting a projector in your housing? id like to make the taurus a little upscale, and ive seen a few people with gen3 tauruses that look pretty nice non retro fitting.

Jon

CrUziN4L · Nov 11, 2005

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what exactly is retrofitting? putting a projector in your housing? id like to make the taurus a little upscale, and ive seen a few people with gen3 tauruses that look pretty nice non retro fitting.

Jon

what i meant by 'retro fitting' is putting the HID bulb in the housing...not meant to withstand that amount of lumens

and yes, people 'retro fit' projectors into housings...another problem when it comes to aiming tho, since the projector will most likely have to be stationary to stay in place.

and when did a taurus come up?...HID's wont make a taurus look any better, spend ur money on some good bulbs (halogen) if u want good light, and save the rest of the money for other things...

-chris

paulhaskew · Nov 11, 2005

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thought I should add this... guy stuck hids in the stock '05 housing...

http://rgvimports.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=884

focusonfocus · Nov 11, 2005

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i m not going to turn this into fight again.,
but here is the shot using stock headlight..

beam is not facing up, i just parked my car on the hill.

CrUziN4L · Nov 11, 2005

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thanx for not fighting

...moving on

jonszx3 · Nov 12, 2005

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I have a taurus, im lookin to do some things to it, thats how it came up. usually when someone asks about a vehicle mod there is some sort of vehicle they want to mod. and as you can see in my sig i have no focus. I still havent seen any difinitive pictures that makes me decide either way, im afraid id have to aim the lights to low to not be worth losing the high beams. ps I have silverstars. i have an upgraded harness but havent installed it yet. my focus had hella euro spec projectors... man i miss those lights

and im not worried about the money, thanks for the concern though

Jon

cdsilver02 · Nov 30, 2005

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So, if my headlights are off of Ebay and they are the dual halo projectors I can't put an HID kit in them? Even if they make that cut off line?

SVT2RS · Dec 1, 2005

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Great post, answered a lot of my questions. Thx.

CrUziN4L · Dec 1, 2005

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So, if my headlights are off of Ebay and they are the dual halo projectors I can't put an HID kit in them? Even if they make that cut off line?

the lenses in the projectors are not manufactured to handle the amount of lumens HID put out

it has nothing to do with whether you have projectors or reflectors...its how they both are manufactured and what they are manufactured for that counts

-chris

focusonfocus · Dec 1, 2005

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i kinda disagree with this sticky..
pictures posted are more like bad example of installeation..

CrUziN4L · Dec 1, 2005

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i kinda disagree with this sticky..
pictures posted are more like bad example of installeation..

*opinion

its fact certian reflectors/projectors are manufactured for Halgoen lumens and some are are manufactured for HID lumens...

thus using a halogen reflector/projector, you will only get the same amount of lumens (you get with Halogen) on the road, and the extra lumens you get with the HID upgrade will be scattered

-chris

focusonfocus · Dec 2, 2005

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then i guess stock reflector on focus is made to handle hid lumens.

i have same stock halogen right now but i had same stock but hid in it.
beam pattern is same but brighter.

CrUziN4L · Dec 2, 2005

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then i guess stock reflector on focus is made to handle hid lumens.

i have same stock halogen right now but i had same stock but hid in it.
beam pattern is same but brighter.

no it isn't.

i don't kno your situation except for that, its a FACT that the housings are not manufactured for the HID amount of lumens, thus making scattered light.

Whether you choose to recognize it or not, it your deal

can't argue fact

-chris

stayfocused · Dec 6, 2005

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CrUziN4L said:
no it isn't.

i don't kno your situation except for that, its a FACT that the housings are not manufactured for the HID amount of lumens, thus making scattered light.

Whether you choose to recognize it or not, it your deal

can't argue fact

-chris

Then I guess one would have to do some extensive research on different types of projector housings versus the HID's that will be used in em,that way one could get the best combo avail to make others safe while driving.:dunno:

CrUziN4L · Dec 7, 2005

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stayfocused said:
Then I guess one would have to do some extensive research on different types of projector housings versus the HID's that will be used in em,that way one could get the best combo avail to make others safe while driving.:dunno:

huh?

yeh i guess

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