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I'm new here (and already posted this on club-focus.net and myfordfocus.com), but from various members of both the CEG and other Contour/Focus groups, I've been asked several times to jump in to get you guys some more info about the Duratec V6's. From a few searches I've done, the biggest misconception I can see is about price and/or availability of the V6 SVT Duratec and the weight of the all aluminum V6 vs. the iron block/aluminum head Zetec.

Let me tell you, the weight differences are very minimal... 20-30 pounds at most. Relocate the battery to the hatch and be done with it.


While it is true that the SVT engines are expensive when brand new, it may not be your best option...

Why not go with a 3L Duratec from the Taurus/Sable/Escape? Even the NA 2.5 non-SVT to 3L hybrids out perform the SVT 2.5 factory specs. The hybrid motors I'm talking of are running the 2.5 heads and intake manifolds (SVT or non SVT 2.5 parts both work well) and using the '98-'99 3L Taurus or Sable DOHC Duratec. The 3L does take some prepping to use the 2.5 heads and also to mate to the MTX-75 Contour transmission, but it is rather minimal work for such a jump in low end TQ. (Just FYI, my very basic 3L in my car breaks 170+ TQ at 2700 RPM and holds it above that figure until above 6,000 RPM). It seems like almost daily I hear of another 3L SVT Contour swap... or Cougar, or regular Contour...

The truth is, the Duratec has a crank whip problem as delivered from Ford. Those problems have been taken care of with the new Ford dual mode damper available from HMS in Michigan, or BAT online. Clevite 77 lead core bearings are also going to be released at the end of this month as well, which will prove to be much, much cheaper than the lead core V8 SHO bearings we've been using in the past (standard tin bearings spin waaaaaaay to easy and is what Ford used from the factory in the Duratec).

While the Duratec still may not be the best option for you, I just wanted to set a few more things straight.

</font><ul type="square">[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Price: 3L Duratecs go for less than a grand all day on http://www.car-part.com. The most I've spent on one was $625 delivered from a state away and had 3K miles and a 90 days warranty. Add on 2.5 heads if you want to stay NA, or keep the 3L heads and add the Contour Vortech SC system. Use either the 3L manifolds, or buy the SVT/ST200 ones from BAT or HMS.</font>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Install: From talking to a few of the people involved with the SVT engined Focus... The Contour trans is a bolt in, i.e. no custom axles, shift mechanisms, etc. The known trouble spot is making clearance on the firewall, but still fairly easy if you're not afraid of a big hammer and taking out some frustrations. Radiator can be adapted from the Contour as well, the SVT radiator being slightly better. Running water lines, engine harnesses, spark plug wires, etc. would be custom, but easily accomplished once the engine is in the bay.</font>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Weight:The all aluminum Duratec V6s weighs in a mere 20-30 pounds heavier than a fully loaded Iron block/aluminum head Zetec. A larger rear sway bar will help eliminate front end push caused by this extra weight.</font>[/list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That's all I can think of now... starting to ramble... If you have any comments, I'd be glad to read them. Let me know what you think, even if it's just "Go away Contour boy!"


[ 09-11-2002, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: bnoon ]
 

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The hard parts about this swap would be:
</font><ul type="square">[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Motor mounts. A combination of custom/Contour/Focus mounts can be used from what I've seen of the completed SVT owned car. Not super hard, but time consuming until jigs are made to copy them for future "kits".</font>[*]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Wiring. The main engine harness will be used from the V6. Comparing the two wiring schematics would be required to get the proper starter wires, PATs modifications if any, and engine gauges/idiot lights. Getting a Cougar gauge cluster would be the easiest way since they have the same basic layout as the Focus. Thanks Ford!
</font>[/list]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Right now, what I need is a donor car to work with. Anyone in the Des Moines, Iowa area that would be willing to stop by for some measurements at least would be a good start. If interested in the swap, it wouldn't be free, but it would be at a very nice discount that's for sure!!! My idea on price is in the $4000-$4500 area including engine/trans and custom installation once the first one is made. You would then also be left with a Zetec engine/trans to sell to recoup some costs... I realize that the turbo kits are cheaper for more peak HP/TQ, but it would be a very radical 4 banger turbo to overcome the HP/TQ potential of the 3L V6.
Our project Contour is a 3L with a Vortech SC, which is expected to have 325 at the wheels on a very base tune. After adding an intercooler and "getting with it", so to speak, we fully expect 350-375 at the wheels. 400-ish for race gas/track set up is possible. With a known 17% drivetrain loss, that's around 500 at the crank folks.
Our first 3L SC engine failed due to an overanxious right foot of the vehicle owner (a friend of mine) and an unknowledgeable dyno tech who did a full throttle run without a chip, hence full stock ECU timing advance. At 4600 RPM, running on 5 cylinders and detonation like you wouldn't believe, we had 246 at the wheels on 6 psi. With the system able to run 8-10 psi stock, and the engine built to be capable of 12-14 psi using a smaller pulley and aftermarket BOV, I think our goals are highly obtainable. If the clearances are there in the Focus, those goals will be repeatable for the V6 swaps too. The best part about this 3L SC engine is that it idles like a stocker with 42# injectors too!


Thanks for the warm welcome. I feel all fuzzy inside.


[ 09-11-2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: bnoon ]
 

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Hey brad.

Welcome to my home after the CEG, stick around a bit, you may like it.
 

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Mr. Bill! How the heck are you doin? Well if it isn't the guy who put the evil idea into my head long ago... Bill P. everybody!


Once I saw the wicked sleeper little V6 SVT Focus again at Spring Zing, it started the idea all over in my head. I totally wish you had been able to complete yours Bill, then I'd have someone to ask questions to. Ah well, it'll get done someday I guess. Good to see ya!
 

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Yeah, maybe airknight will sell me my motor back! If only I had known I wasn't getting married!!! UGH! Women!
 

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Originally posted by ev1svt:
Yeah, maybe airknight will sell me my motor back! If only I had known I wasn't getting married!!! UGH! Women!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">DOH!!!
How much did you get for the motor BTW, might be able to set you up! LOL!
 

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Hey Bnoon,
Welcome to FocalJet and good luck with your transplant. It sounds like a great project. I wish I had more free time to examine all of it's potential. My hands are full with Kansas Racing Products engines, 2.3 Duratecs and the road-racers and circle-track midget teams.

You might give a visit to the members over at www.turboford.org to see if anyone would be interested in your project as they are hard-core Ford turbo enthusiasts.

Good luck and happy motoring!
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Gerry Dedonis
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I have been over to turboford before, mostly because of another local Ford nut that owns a SCCA track prepped XR4Ti (used to work with him, also a Contour daily driver owner). Chris Carver, heard of him? I think if I went over there posting about it, I may be spreading myself a bit to thin to be effective while at my regular day job. Must stay "Focused".
Thanks though!

[ 09-11-2002, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: bnoon ]
 

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I kinda figure this is a part of my day job searching the internet for customers and providing information about engines. I took a brief glance at your web site and business. Write me an email or reply to this post if I can be of any help with OEM Ford or GM engines and engine components.

My employer is a sub-component manufacturer for Ford Racing and GM Performance Parts. That alows us to purchase new, old stock engines, warranty-returned recalled engines, quality control engines and related parts on an "as available" basis. Examples...Ford now has an abundance of 2.0 Zetec and 2.3 Duratecs on-hand. They are not complete ( missing starter, alternator, exhaust manifold, EEC unit) or there might be minor damage to the small exterior parts. We buy them for $600. dollars each plus trucking from Detroit. I know they also have an inventory (or used to) of complete Escort 1.8 liter engines...new, old stock for sale.

I am awaiting news about the status of 50 Duratec V-6 4.6 liters (2001 vintage). Ford has not released them for disposal. Seems there is a problem with leaky valve covers.

Oh well...back to work!

Thanks and regards,
Gerry Dedonis
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Hey Brad,

Welcome to the board,
If you want to give me a call I can fill you in on more details regarding this swap.
I do have a rough draft of the install/tech sheet that I have put together in a word file,
I've sent it to a few people already,

Shawn Lang
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Originally posted by ZX3TUNING:
Hey Brad,

Welcome to the board,
If you want to give me a call I can fill you in on more details regarding this swap.
I do have a rough draft of the install/tech sheet that I have put together in a word file,
I've sent it to a few people already,

Shawn Lang
604-552-9707

ZX3Tuning
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Shawn you have a PM.


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I think that a built duratec would be killer in a focus, MMMMM maybe one in my wagon. sure would be fun. Keep us informed on the swap status.

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Originally posted by BumpinFocus2k1:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ZX3TUNING:
Hey Brad,

Welcome to the board,
If you want to give me a call I can fill you in on more details regarding this swap.
I do have a rough draft of the install/tech sheet that I have put together in a word file,
I've sent it to a few people already,

Shawn Lang
604-552-9707

ZX3Tuning
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Shawn you have a PM.


Josh
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ditto!
 

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i would wait on that v6 guys. i saw a v8 5.0 bolt in engine for the focus. made by kugel komponents or something. says you can get 11 sec 1/4 mile w/it.
 

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Originally posted by phillyesco:
i would wait on that v6 guys. i saw a v8 5.0 bolt in engine for the focus. made by kugel komponents or something. says you can get 11 sec 1/4 mile w/it.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yeah i've seen it too....and i've seen the price tag....no thanks!!! i just want more power and don't want to keep up a turbo.
 

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ok, ill be honest with you... i want to put an svt contour engine in my focus, but i dont know anything on how it is done or how simple, is it a direct replacement? do the motor mounts match up? how "custom" will the work be? i know a little but not too much. also is there a place where i can find detailed instructions on the swap and what i would have to do? modify? buy? i have just been waiting for someone to just lay all this info out on the table but i havent seen it yet. thanks.
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