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$24K for a strippo VW. No thanks. For a little more I'll pick up a new 350Z. Now if it was $15k, that would be a different story.
 

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I do not believe that VW will be able to actually pull the price off. Doing a straight Brit Pound Sterling to US $ on car prices is not a valid exchange. Look at what Focus in the UK sell at vs. the US.
Also, VW has not made an affordable "sporty" car in about 15 years. The prices for Jetta's and Golf's when equiped for performance is about $24K +. What a joke when the AWD WRX sells at $24K .
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It sounds great but the stats for the price really sound too good to be true. I'll wait to see the prototype and the official pricing estimate before I get my panties in a bunch.
 

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sounds similar to the dodge razor concept that everyone was drooling over. dodge should have made that.

this would be perfect with the 1.8T and hardtop version (i don't like convertables)
 

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I hope VW starts working more realisticly on the "for the people" part. VW's are already getting very pricy and the success of the Euro v. Dollar is only going to make VW even more expensive.

Heck with all my mods I've still got $4000 left to spend until I'm equal in cost to the GTI I didn't buy when I got focus.
 

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Some people just don't seem to understand that VW skews to an entirely different demographic.

True, or not, it is perceived that VW has better fit/finish, interior materials, etc. That is why VW will sell all the R32 that they bring over here... even when there is more 'bang for the buck' available.

Also, it competes in a different market segment, which isn't as price sensitive. If you look at the Miata, it has a MSRP: $22,363 - $26,698 and look how many of those Mazda has sold.

The MR2 Spyder has a MSRP: $25,130 - $26,130 and it's specs don't even come close. That's probably why THOSE aren't selling.

[ 05-19-2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: wrcfan ]
 

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Originally posted by hatched:
55MPG? Mid-engine TDi or something?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No it is not a diesel. FSI is some new state-of-the-art fuel injection technology that coupled with the lightweight is said to be the reason behind the high MPG numbers.

Remember the U.S. car WILL be heavier, because of more substantial front and rear crash standards if nothing else.

The only thing that I see as a monkey wrench is the engine, which is being lifted from the new Polo. This lump is not certified here yet... But I also hear rumors that the Polo may make an entrance into the U.S. market since the Golf is creeping up market.

[ 05-19-2003, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: wrcfan ]
 

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Also, I forgot to add that target weight is between 600-700kg (1322.76 - 1543.22lbs). That is LIGHT. I'd rather have a lighter car with less HP then a heavier car with more HP.

[ 05-19-2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: wrcfan ]
 

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6-700 Kg comes out to 1330-1550 lbs. Using 1kg = 2.23lbs.
I doubt that the N/A market will see a 1300lbs car.
 

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Originally posted by wrcfan:
Also, I forgot to add that target weight is between 600-700kg. That is LIGHT. Can someone do the conversion for us?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This thing is supposed to be lighter and more powerful than a base Elise for two thirds the price, adding 4 airbags and power/ABS/traction control brakes. That's why I'm skeptical. Barring some near-historic innovation or making it even smaller than an Elise, something has to give way because right now things don't add up. The Elise is already barebones, uses an aluminum space frame chassis and has an engine that weighs under 200 lbs. VW is going to beat the results of that and cost much, much less? How? (Btw, it's not to say I don't want them to do so.
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Originally posted by Penguini66:
$15K pounds = $24K USD
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You really can't do a direct conversion to get an accurate estimate. Look at the price of the Focus in the UK and look at its price here. The 2.0L Zetec equipped hatch starts at 14,000 sterling which would directly be just over $22k USD. A guesstimate for US pricing for the VW is under $20k.

[ 05-19-2003, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: proxemac ]
 

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Originally posted by madmax1:
$24K for a strippo VW. No thanks. For a little more I'll pick up a new 350Z. Now if it was $15k, that would be a different story.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">350Z = Bloated Pig. I'll take the little car.
 

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Wow... that is so beautiful!!! If I had any money at all, I'd be all over it!!
 

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Originally posted by wrcfan:
Stripped for bare bones performance (no power steering, windows, etc.)
Full group of safety equipment (4 airbags, anti-lock brakes, ESP stability control and fixed roll hoop)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Um, stripped bare bones usually means - 'Sans Safety/Stability features'.

What's the point in getting rid of the PS if your going to add even more weight in stuff you don't need in a lightweight 'race roadster'.

I'll take one in a heartbeat, but I would still rather see it from the drivers standpoint, rather than the safety features.

Get rid of the ABS, ESP and leave the Roll hoops - I'll take it


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The Vauxhall/Opel VX220/Speedster has ABS & airbags and is regarded as actually being superior to the Lotus Elise on which its based. Also with a car that small and that light your really dont need power steering. I've always preferred cars without PS as it gives better road feedback. Unfortunately the last car I had that was ok without PS was my MK2 Golf GTI.

If it looks like that and costs that much I will have one without a second thought. Although knowing VW we wont see it for a while yet
 
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