who getting a vortech?

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lildavid2002

Discussion Starter · Oct 28, 2003

Now that the vortech is finally here, who is getting one or already ordered/has one? I have wanted a JRSC for a while now, but now I am looking more at the vortech, I am just glad I waited a few months and didn't jump for the JRSC.

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BlackFSVT

· #2 · Oct 28, 2003

I still think they are both nice options but I think the JRSC will prove more reliable in the long run.

If I were spending what it would take to do the Vortech with aftercooler I would just do Turbo Tom's kit.

Keep in mind the Vortec has no fuel or engine management that I am aware of.

My order would be:

1. Turbo Tom Kit
2. JRSC
3. Vortec

Who knows what will happen in next few years before I do anything. Maybe there will be a nice whipple style supercharger by then for a decent price.

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SlickShoes

· #3 · Oct 28, 2003

I'm holding off until a better tuning solution is available (like the SCT or new Diablosport products). After that, it'll be between the Vortech and the Wolff Racing kits for me.

Seems to me that the JRSC is going to be the most reliable, most OEM-[censored], most delearship friendly, and least expensive boost in power. The Vortech will be awesome for drag racers (ice in the water cooler). And the Wolff kit will be awesome for road racing, since the air/air intercooler won't suffer from heat soak nearly as bad.

USAF_TRobertson

· #4 · Oct 28, 2003

Vortech's website isnt advertising a supercharger for the Focus yet? Can you buy it now or not? Also, I have heard its going to be about $3500, is this true? And does it come with a intercooler?

ImportKilla

· #5 · Oct 28, 2003

Vortech's website isnt advertising a supercharger for the Focus yet? Can you buy it now or not? Also, I have heard its going to be about $3500, is this true? And does it come with a intercooler?

www.superchargersonline.com

You can get one with or with out the intercooler (satin or polished), price depends on the kit you get. If you buy it and plan to install it yourself (which is what I want to do) you have to send your ecu to them to have it tuned. They say if you send the ecu to them when you get the kit, you SHOULD have it back by the time you have it installed.

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Saleen09

· #6 · Oct 28, 2003

KEep in mind to compare the FINAL Vortech kit to the others. The aftercooler is VERY efficient. I don't know how much experience y'all have with Vortech but there reliability is second to none. This is my fourth Vortech and I have an excellent record to speak of. I have a strong mustang backround and ATI can definitley NOT( REPEAT NOT) even come close to matching Vortech in this arena. My S-trim throwing out 12 psi stood up for 18 months being pounded on while my two friends that went with ATI's on their 5.0's went through 3 head units combined. All under warranty but still.Also, the wolf racing kit is going to require a head gasket change to run over 6 psi. Someting to keep in mind. Vortech is shooting for 2-4 day turnaround max for the ECM flash. They have also discussed having flash capable approved shops being able to flash as well.This is still being discussed as of current.

belacyrf

· #7 · Oct 28, 2003

KEep in mind to compare the FINAL Vortech kit to the others. The aftercooler is VERY efficient. I don't know how much experience y'all have with Vortech but there reliability is second to none. This is my fourth Vortech and I have an excellent record to speak of. I have a strong mustang backround and ATI can definitley NOT( REPEAT NOT) even come close to matching Vortech in this arena. My S-trim throwing out 12 psi stood up for 18 months being pounded on while my two friends that went with ATI's on their 5.0's went through 3 head units combined. All under warranty but still.Also, the wolf racing kit is going to require a head gasket change to run over 6 psi. Someting to keep in mind. Vortech is shooting for 2-4 day turnaround max for the ECM flash. They have also discussed having flash capable approved shops being able to flash as well.This is still being discussed as of current.

Ummm Wolff can run 8-9 PSI without the head gasket. Wolff will also be using an ECU flash/injectors and maf with their setup.
Wolff doesn't require tapping the oil pan, and as far as quality and longevity of the head unit, I can't say. But the other information isn't correct.

The vortech cooler is volumetrically efficient, but it is not thermally efficient. It will heat soak over time, because it uses a rather small heat exchanger.
Since wolf uses an air to air intercooler, it will likely be a tad less volumetrically efficient but will be much more thermally efficient as you push the engine for longer lengths of time.

The vortech is a good unit, and the wolff seems like it will be a good unit as well. I think SlickShoes description is pretty accurate.

SonicBluSVT 02'

· #8 · Oct 28, 2003

2-4 day turn around? Man, those kits should only be 6-8hr install job. Or thats what the mustang kits were anyway. Hopefully they do come out with allowing local certified shops do the ecu flash. that would be perfect to get done friday and then have the weekend to install.

what is the wolf kick using as a head unit? I have the same experience with vortech. damn good ass units. I had one that was on 3 different stangs, probably 60-80k miles on it and always ran strong.

CCC

· #9 · Oct 29, 2003

I think he meant for the ECu tune...not the install for that 2-4day turn around!!!

CCC

Tired

· #10 · Oct 29, 2003

Superchargers Online says the price on the Vortech unit is lower than $2800. Im assuming thats just the bare kit, no sort of tuning whatsoever?

BlackFSVT

· #11 · Oct 29, 2003

Yeah but he said Vortech does it while you install it.

So even if the install is only 10 hours who wants to have their car sitting around for 2-4 days, especially if it is the daily driver.

I know I would not want some generic tune either. Each car is different not even factoring in mods, etc. The dyno is the only way to tune it.

svtfocusguy

· #12 · Oct 29, 2003

Eventually, but I have a lot more stuff in mind before i get that stuff.

Saleen09

· #13 · Oct 29, 2003

<font color="red"> </font> I STAND CORRECTED!

I did some digging and found that I was wrong about the procharger/Wolffracing kit. No head gasket needed for 7-9 psi.See pics and info here.

http://www.wolffracing.com/focus.php

I agree with what was posted by belacryf, but will offer this, please look at those pics( over 6 months old) and tell me how efficient you think that 1 core intercooler is going to be? When I has a TTC single turbo kit on my Saleen Mustang, we had to lay down the intercooler like that to fit it on the car( GT's are the same, only the LX's could have them perpendicular to the ground). The intercooler( in dyno testing and road tests) gained 25% at minimum when changed from laying flat. Please do not think that I am biased because of my kit, if the ATI kit makes more power, more power to them. The more development we have on our car, the more competition there will be with the manufacturers of those parts and we as consumers will reap a better product.

For those who inquired, the head unit will be a c-1, same as on the civic kit. Hope all this helps some.

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belacyrf

· #14 · Oct 29, 2003

Well they said they flow tested the intercooler in it's current location, and because of the little lip that they have (which is hard to see), it is just as efficient as a front mount. That is what Wolff says...

Personally I would upgrade to a front mount (which is an upgrade they offer).

Saleen09

· #15 · Oct 29, 2003

I have a awesome idea.
3 SVT FOCUS's
1 JRSC
1 Vortech
1 ATI

Battle of the supercharged FOCI!

All on the dyno, back to back.
Then out to a auto-x or road course.
Don't forgt some realtime daily driving( we do drive econo-cars after all)

I'm dreaming but this would be awesome. Focus Fanatic MAgazine, are you listening?

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CCC

· #16 · Oct 29, 2003

Thats a great idea Saleen...I'd love to see that.

CCC

belacyrf

· #17 · Oct 29, 2003

I have a awesome idea.
3 SVT FOCUS's
1 JRSC
1 Vortech
1 ATI

Battle of the supercharged FOCI!

All on the dyno, back to back.
Then out to a auto-x or road course.
Don't forgt some realtime daily driving( we do drive econo-cars after all)

I'm dreaming but this would be awesome. Focus Fanatic MAgazine, are you listening?

Well we were going to cover that here in So cal. The only problem is finding a Vortech SVT. But we were going to do a:
JRSC
Vortec
Wolff Racing
NA (Cams & Ported & Polished Cylinder)

Comparison.... we just don't have a vortech person yet and the cams and head aren't out yet... but we're hoping!!

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SonicBluSVT 02'

· #18 · Oct 29, 2003

Yeah but he said Vortech does it while you install it.

So even if the install is only 10 hours who wants to have their car sitting around for 2-4 days, especially if it is the daily driver.

I know I would not want some generic tune either. Each car is different not even factoring in mods, etc. The dyno is the only way to tune it.

CCC, this is what I meant. It was mentioned we should have the ecu back just in time to be done with the install. I am sure these are just generic time frames. But in reality, the SC will only take a long day at most for those who have never done one before and of course you will have to wait about a week for the ecu to ship and come back. Either way though this is still another FI option and the tuning they are still working on and trying to cater to the customer, which is what I like to see. I just wish the torque would get up there a bit.

CCC

· #19 · Oct 29, 2003

Wouldn't both of his #s hurt due to the ambient temp. He said it was 100-degree ambient when they dyno'd...what exactly are you looking to see outta the torque figure...200...210?

CCC

SonicBluSVT 02'

· #20 · Oct 29, 2003

not sure if you were directing the ambient air stuff to me, but I have no clue about that.

As far as torque, I guess was they got was ok and will be a huge improvement over what we currently have stock, but I would like to see something closer to 220 or so. Maybe even 225.

however, that is probably impratical. I am just spoiled in past experiences with SC's where my torque and hp were basically equal.

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