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...then after a few years of model evolution, we're stuck with a really ugly crappy slow car, and they get this cool-looking and -driving one?

do you think that'll happen to the Focus?
 

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The European and American Escorts Where never the same car!

Even thought they where touted as world cars the first true world car was the Mondeo/Contour and then the Focus.

[ 05-04-2003, 09:15 AM: Message edited by: SilverSVT ]
 

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ohhh wait, duh you're right. for some reason i thought the escort had more of a history in the U.S., but i guess it doesn't.

ok, with that said, how close does everyone think the U.S. Focus will stay with the Euro one?

do you all think it will still be a "world" car for some time, or that slowly the models will evolve into some bastardized american version, and an even cooler euro line?
 

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I think you US poeple are getting crappy cars because of

1. Your Strict car safety standards.
2. Smog tests.
3. Insurence companies being $(@)%s...

US will never see a cool and nice looking car if these remain unchanged.
 

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Originally posted by MP5A4_HK:
I think you US poeple are getting crappy cars because of

1. Your Strict car safety standards.
2. Smog tests.
3. Insurence companies being $(@)%s...

US will never see a cool and nice looking car if these remain unchanged.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Don't forget the real #1 reason - Americans have ****ty tastes. Sure, some of our regulations are impediments to importation but they are not the final reason to not import. Pretty much any car can be mildly modified to pass regulations - or find a way to be excluded from regulation - if there's enough of a market to make it worth it. If Lotus can import the Elise, do you think it's that hard to get by safety standards? And if the Viper, CL55 AMG, M5 and other big ass overmotored cars can pass emissions, do you really think that for instance a twin turbo V6 can't be tuned to pass? Car companies just care about the money, so if they see a market they'll bring the car over. When they whine about regulations, what they're really saying is "We don't see enough sales to justify the bother."

[ 05-04-2003, 01:49 PM: Message edited by: proxemac ]
 

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its because too many peopl like big honking SUV's. They're dumb, stupid useless cars. Yes emissions causes the HP to drop and the crash bumpers make our version of the cars look ugly. Sometimes it just sucks.
 

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It is already happening, for example the Focus RS.
 

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One word, California. Many cars do not get imported because of the CARB standards. Since Capitalism is all about profit and bottom line, car companies do not import certain cars because it is not cost effective to make them CARB legal. Unfortunately most companies don't just say "screw california, we'll sell everywhere else." California has a massive population so they would rather not lose out on sales there. so we lose out.
 

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Ford has already said that on the next redesign the US focus is gonna look VERY different from the Euro focus. What is up with that I have no idea...
 

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Originally posted by rpvitiello:
Ford has already said that on the next redesign the US focus is gonna look VERY different from the Euro focus. What is up with that I have no idea...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'll believe it when I see it...lot cheaper to change bumpers to make it meet US specs then it is to have completely different sheetmetal....its called saving money
 

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You gotta remember there is no to almost no cost saving is having the same design in Euro AND the N.A. market. Ford still runs 2 complete assembly lines. They do not "share" parts between the 2 cars (that I am aware of)
The huge thing to remember is that in Europe, the Focus is a valuable money making car for FORD. In the N.Am. it is pretty much just sold as-is by Ford so they can continue to make SUV's and not get killed by CAFE standards. Look at the bottom line on each type of car. Ford N. America, makes pennies to nothing on a Focus compared to the mark up on F-150's, Expeditions, Explorers etc.
I could see the day where Ford just slops some crap together with the cheapest parts, and sells the N.Am. Focus only in Fleets and minimal consumer sales... the same way they killed off the Escort.
I hope this doesn't happen, but until the compact car segment in N.Am takes on the same value as it is in Europe, we always run the risk of getting all the left over crap.
Cheers.
 

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Originally posted by SilverSVT:
The European and American Escorts Where never the same car!

Even thought they where touted as world cars the first true world car was the Mondeo/Contour and then the Focus.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What? Try the Model T friend, that was Ford's first "world car", LOL...
 

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The reason Europe gets better "smaller" cars is because of perception and need.

Perception: Americans tend to associate "small" with "cheap" so no matter how good the car is, they have to price it cheap for it to sell, so the cool small cars (if a version exists here at all) become watered down versions of what's available across the pond.

Need: Americans have cheap gas and wide/straight roads (perfect conditions for an SUV/large car environment
). A fuel-efficient corner carver isn't necessarily going to appeal to the masses here like it does in Europe.
 

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Originally posted by flat 4:
They do not "share" parts between the 2 cars (that I am aware of)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So far I bought FSVT springs, some other miscelaneous suspension components, and a stock transmission/engine mount from the dealer. All were made in europe.
 
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