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Yes, but it would be silly to the point of being stupid to think about doing it before it's offered in the Focus. You've only got a couple months to wait and then you will be able to BUY all the parts to do it. You won't have to engineer anything. Just plug and play. Simple. Just be freaking patient and you will be able to get the motor. Better yet, wait 6 months and buy one that gets wrecked for all the parts. Cheap (relatively) and easy. Be the first on your block.
 

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*shakes head* plug'n'play ...no.

the fact that the engine is being placed in a non-reengineered focus bay does not make it plug'n'play...for a honda maybe...not a focus...the duratec is mounted in the same place...thats about it...everything is different...everything will need to be rerun refitted extended clipped moved...its doable don't get me wrong...but the cost to buy all the parts necessary just to swap in an engine with only 5 more crank hp stock...would be pointless. trade in your zx3 for a new duratec model and save the 3-5 grand for some sweet sweet modding and you will have twice the car and i a tenth of the hassle...
 

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engine swapping is all about putting a bigger engine into a lesser car...hondas: throw a b16 or B18 in to replace a D16 SOHC...ok...nissan: throw in an SR20DET to replace the POS KA24DE...ok...ford: throw in a 302 V8 to replace a zetec...ok.

why: becuase putting in a larger engine into a smaller frame not only improves power to weight but gives an advantage of being expected to have 1 thing and bring out another...

the duratec may be a 2.3l but it being Ford limited it way...way down and is rated for 135-140 crank hp from factory...bigger engine...better potential...but the cost to actually put it in is insane...a crate engine with engine managment with all accesory lines a bell housing for the tranny intake and exhaust manifolds wiring harness O2 sensors...etc etc... think about it you are replacing the entire front end of your car save maybe a radiatior and chasis parts...and the labor...KA Ching...

all for what 5 hp... and a head full of ideas for when in 2 years down the road when you paid off the loan and credit cards you will be in a car that would be then 5-7 yrs old...then maybe you will begin to mod...

i looked into it i wanted it but i realized the cost vs gain and it wasn't there...
 

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a little off the subject, but is the duratec going to completely replace the zetec? It would be cool to be able to have a couple of good engines to swap and have plenty of aftermarket parts for them like with Honda.
 

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thwap... please read previous post...

having the duratec is nothing like having a honda.

doing a swap is not economically logical

the duratec will replace all zetecs i believe by 2005

swapping a duratec into a ZX3 is pointless being that it will be offered in a ZX3...and thus just be cheaper to buy a new car...
 

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it does suck...they wasted my time and money to...

its just the fact that doing a swap will be pointless and unnesesarily expensive...even if you swap though any aftermarket parts would be useless anywho...no part for your zetec will work for a duratec..no airfilter...no catbak exhaust...nuthin...
 

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It does SUCK
 

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Originally posted by iamgod:
*shakes head* plug'n'play ...no.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm sure familyman knows that you can't just install the engine itself... It is pretty obvious.

In my book, electronics, engine, and all supporting hardware *IS* plug and play. So yes, it is plug and play.

..and it certainly isn't pointless... maybe pointless for you, but not for everybody. Don't be so quick to dismiss it just because it doesn't fit with your plans.

I bet within the next year it will be possible to swap it into a Zetec ZX3 for less than $1000.

[ 01-24-2003, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: OmniFocus ]
 

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I did a swap that would be similar to this. I bought an 88 K-car and stripped it until the enginc compartment was bare. No wires, no nothing. Then I swapped everything over from a daytona. What made this swap feasable? Only the fact that the cars have identical architecture. That's what I meant by plug and play. Take out ALL your current pieces and bolt all the new ones, engine, tranny, wiring, EVERYTHING! Will it be feasable next year? Probably not. But in 8 or 10 years you may be able to pick up a wrecked duratec for $1000 and have everything you need to convert over your 300K mile 2000 ZX3. If you want it next year, yea, buy a new one, if you want it in the future, it will be possible. And maybe, just maybe it will make sense to a few people. The job won't be bad. Just strip your car of everything and swap it over from the donor.
 

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i'm not saying its not doable...i am saying its pointless...also you couldn't pick up an engine for a grand...let alone the entire setup (FYI a complete honda engine with ecu and tranny runs for 3000)...yeah you would have to strip out the entire engine bay and drop in all the new parts. but then i say to you why?

i guess i am tryin to curb the honda mentality of hearing the word swap and thinking you can drop a duratec in in an afternoon...experienced builders know what it entails as well as not needing to front labor if your gonna do it your self...also the money spent buying all those parts could offset the cost of a new focus while leaving some left over to mod the new engine.

Omni- i have seen the layout of the new duratec on bikers site...and can say you could not do the swap for less than $3000 without labor...thats just miscellania an engine...even a zetec crate is $2500...

it would be more feasable if it was set up like a honda...there all the fuel connections are in the same place the intake and exhaust run the same...you litterally swap the engine...this focus is more difficult nothing is in the same place...

anything can be done with enough cash...but at what point do you say...its just not worth it!
 

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Curb your own honda mentality. There are a TON of other cars that give and recieve engine swaps. Turbo dodges for one, everything with a SBC. 350's into Volvos. Hell, turbo Volvo engines into non turbo bodies. Truck engine swaps are rampant. Some bolt in, some require fabrication. Not everyone is looking to buy a whole new car when it's time for a new motor. There will come a time, maybe sooner than later when someone will be sitting there with a Ztec that has had an engine fire. Should they replace everything with more Ztec stuff or spend the extra grand and go with a duratec. Someday there will also be people with 300K mile ZX3's who want to keep the car but desperatley need a new engine. Do you rebuild the current block or search for a wrecked 50K mile duratec model? There are legitimate reasons to look at the swap and silly ones as well. It could be something as simple as a pathalogical attachment to a car. Someone loves their car and just wants a duratec. The question was whether a duratec could be swapped in. Not whether it should be or not. And quite frankly, it will be the easiest motor to swap in if somone is so inclined.
So to paraphrase Omni, it might not be right for you, but that doesn't mean it's not right for everybody.
 

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The only reason I suggest it may be possible in the near future is a similar incident around here... Somebody bought a low miles *wrecked* MTX Zetec Focus for around $800-$1200... One or the other, but very cheap... and used the car to convert his ATX to an MTX. With the right amount of luck and timing, somebody may be able to grab a low miles wrecked Duratec Focus in the not-so-distant future!

...but I guess I'm an optimist.

What interests me in a Duratec swap is the possibility of it being an ideal turbomotor... I've heard rumors of the head outflowing an SVT Zetec (Duratec ST.. whatever)... With the lighter weight of the aluminum block, you could potentially have a beefy turbo setup without adding any weight to the car. The displacement is a no-brainer. .3L extra combined with a turbocharger is just begging for some serious torque. THAT'S what interests me.

With Mazdaspeed working on a potential factory turbocharged version, it is also possible that we may have beefier rods and pistons available from the factory!

Don't get me wrong... I really like the Zetec, but I see a world of potential in the new Duratec.

[ 01-24-2003, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: OmniFocus ]
 

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I was just thinking of the whole 'family' of ztec powered cars, including the escort (yuck) and the contour (yummy!) The swap won't be as direct but really, who doesn't want a 350 HP turbo contour? With the extremely low prices for 4 cylinder contours, this might be something I'll be very interested in. I'll definatley be watching this motor and how it all plays out.
 

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Same here. The beauty of being flat broke is that I can sit back and wait until all the parts I want exist... and THEN jump.
 

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i just used honda cause that is what somebody else used...i understand the world of swapping... and i am a firm believer of each his own... i just see that most vehicles that recieve a swap benifit from it... i was just pointing out the shear depth of the project and what i have learned as i looked into it...and i have...ihave contacted kansas racing about a duratec block and considered the parts from a mazda 6 ie. intake manifold... i see the benifit from it cause it is gonna be a killer engine...but i found that i could invest more money into the engine by buying the new focus rather than transplanting an engine...i also understand sentimental attachment...i love my car...but if it came down to it...which it will i will go with a late 2003-2004 focus with the duratec.
 

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Just to rain on everyone's parade- the swap is looking to be very complicated because the electronic architecture is most likely to be Mazda based. The Mazda system does not "retrofit" to the current Ford Focus.

Thus, the engine won't be plug n play and won't function with the HVAC, instruments or other electronics.

I will confirm over the weekend.
 

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the new design is gonna be sick...its rev happy and flows very nice...the problem is FORD...they dumbed it down again...Mazda atleast is looking into turbo...more agreesive cams...higher comp ratio...ford went for economy...and in the end we have .3l more displacement with 5 crank hp more...just because its more efficient...but take off that crap and wow you got an entirely race breed engine..i can't wait
 

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Originally posted by ford_focus:
Thus, the engine won't be plug n play and won't function with the HVAC, instruments or other electronics.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm tellin' ya. If it comes in Focus A, then it'll fit in Focus B.
 
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