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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

Firstly the contour was droped from fords porduct line ONLY because the NEW mondeo is exactly the same size as the Taurus. there was no pointon offereing two cars of equal size. the reason the contour was never as big as ford though it would of been was cause there was NO MARKETING of it. you focus owners have it lucky the contour was fords ba**ard child they never admited to even more so with the SVT version. I have never seen a contour advertisment. I saw hundreds for the focus even before you could buy one. but I really don't see how ford says it didn't sell well cause I see more contours in my ~8 mile trip to work than I do of any other car. some days I can count over 20 contours and mystiques... and that's more than I see of the focus.
 
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Firstly the contour was droped from fords porduct line ONLY because the NEW mondeo is exactly the same size as the Taurus. there was no pointon offereing two cars of equal size. the reason the contour was never as big as ford though it would of been was cause there was NO MARKETING of it. you focus owners have it lucky the contour was fords ba**ard child they never admited to even more so with the SVT version. I have never seen a contour advertisment. I saw hundreds for the focus even before you could buy one. but I really don't see how ford says it didn't sell well cause I see more contours in my ~8 mile trip to work than I do of any other car. some days I can count over 20 contours and mystiques... and that's more than I see of the focus.<hr></blockquote>


the simple fact is that the Contour never made money. Expensive to make and needed incentives to sell.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by biker16:



the simple fact is that the Contour never made money. Expensive to make and needed incentives to sell.
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SOOO you are saying the Focus would be selling as well as it is if ford gave it as much ad time as they did with the contour??? or as much after market as they did with the contour??? I think not.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by biker16:



the simple fact is that the Contour never made money. Expensive to make and needed incentives to sell.
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and not to mention that it was badly placed in the market inbetween the Escort and Tarus. With the New 500 coming out and its higher price tag the new Monedo or what ever its called can be sloted in the $18K-$25K range and not step on the Focus or the 500 toes all that much when it comes to sales
 
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:


SOOO you are saying the Focus would be selling as well as it is if ford gave it as much ad time as they did with the contour??? or as much after market as they did with the contour??? I think not.
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1st of all what does the contour have the The Focus doesn't? A V6?

The fact is the Focus has more room and a smaller price than the contour at a lower price. The Focu sells itself, and makes more money.

Once a car is unprofitable it becomes a disincentive to promote, For every car you sell the more money you lose.

The Contour/ mondeo was ford's first World Car it was too small and too expensive.

the Focus is susccessful because it was designd to be adaptable to each market, the large interior appeals every where and dynamics up to european standards that tranlates well to every market. Plus the Focus is cheap.

It looks as all Ford cars will be world cars with the fiesta, mondeo, fusion, focus, and 500 to be sold in almost all world markets.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by laZer ready:
Mercedes now? I mean I know it goes to heritage and the Galaxy 500... but damn.
YES YES YES call the rebadged Mondeo the Galaxy and be done with it..... You can get away with a Galaxy if Honda can have an Odessey (sp?).
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What insight. Ford already uses the Galaxy name on a minivan. In Europe the Ford Galaxy is Ford's version of the VW Sharan, so you're right, Ford Galaxy does sound like Honda Odyssey and both are minivans!
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by biker16:

It looks as all Ford cars will be world cars with the fiesta, mondeo, fusion, focus, and 500 to be sold in almost all world markets.
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Ok gonna do a thread hyjack here...With reguards to the Ford 500, does this car really have a market in Europe? I'm a bit rusty here but wasn't the last "large" car sold in Europe was the Scorpio? Why did they kill it? I know one thing, that it was hideous looking before they killed it.
 
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SilverSVT:



Ok gonna do a thread hyjack here...With reguards to the Ford 500, does this car really have a market in Europe? I'm a bit rusty here but wasn't the last "large" car sold in Europe was the Scorpio? Why did they kill it? I know one thing, that it was hideous looking before they killed it.
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I don't know Fordeurope.net thinks they could sell the 500 over there.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by biker16:


1st of all what does the contour have the The Focus doesn't? A V6?

The fact is the Focus has more room and a smaller price than the contour at a lower price. The Focu sells itself, and makes more money.

Once a car is unprofitable it becomes a disincentive to promote, For every car you sell the more money you lose.

The Contour/ mondeo was ford's first World Car it was too small and too expensive.

the Focus is susccessful because it was designd to be adaptable to each market, the large interior appeals every where and dynamics up to european standards that tranlates well to every market. Plus the Focus is cheap.

It looks as all Ford cars will be world cars with the fiesta, mondeo, fusion, focus, and 500 to be sold in almost all world markets.
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more room in a focus than a contour for less??? my sister paid more for her focus without the Zetec option than I did for my contour with a Zetec and more options.

UMMM they never promoted it so how can you say they stopped promoting it when it became unprofitable? they can't stop something that was never started... you know how many contour owner have people ask them what kind of car they have and we say contour and we get a confused look and then a responce of I never heard of a ford contour before... I don't know anyone that hasn't heard of a focus though.

the only reason the contour stopped production in 2000 was cause the mondeo in 2000 became the same size as the Taurus.
 
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:

more room in a focus than a contour for less??? my sister paid more for her focus without the Zetec option than I did for my contour with a Zetec and more options.<hr></blockquote>

Before or after incentives?
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UMMM they never promoted it so how can you say they stopped promoting it when it became unprofitable? they can't stop something that was never started... you know how many contour owner have people ask them what kind of car they have and we say contour and we get a confused look and then a responce of I never heard of a ford contour before... I don't know anyone that hasn't heard of a focus though.
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they did promote the Contour in the beginning.

understand that the Car was expensive to produce it had 6 billion dollars in development costs to burn off. plus the car had a complex build and never really fit into the midsize market. It was forced to replace the Tempo, it couldn't. The Focus was the true replacement for the Tempo, not the Escort, the focus ASP is alot more than the Escort.

MY question for ford is what is the escort's replacement?

The cougar never made money too. why? because the platfomr was expesive to build and the car floped in europe, where it would sell for $2-3000 more than in the US.

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the only reason the contour stopped production in 2000 was cause the mondeo in 2000 became the same size as the Taurus.<hr></blockquote>

Don't forget the Mondeo would have to be priced like a Passat to make money. imagine buyers paying and extra 3000 over a larger camry or taurus.

The mondeo is still a foot shorter than the taurus and about 3 inches narrower. The interior room is about the same though.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ZetecRacing:
Firstly the contour was droped from fords porduct line ONLY because the NEW mondeo is exactly the same size as the Taurus. there was no pointon offereing two cars of equal size. the reason the contour was never as big as ford though it would of been was cause there was NO MARKETING of it. you focus owners have it lucky the contour was fords ba**ard child they never admited to even more so with the SVT version. I have never seen a contour advertisment. I saw hundreds for the focus even before you could buy one. but I really don't see how ford says it didn't sell well cause I see more contours in my ~8 mile trip to work than I do of any other car. some days I can count over 20 contours and mystiques... and that's more than I see of the focus.<hr></blockquote>

Exactly.
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by biker16:
I don't know Fordeurope.net thinks they could sell the 500 over there.<hr></blockquote>

The 500 is a concept car, the Ford Scorpio was the last luxury Ford in Europe.

Also remember that a Focus is considered a small compact car in the US but a midsize car in Europe.

The Mondeo is a family car in our terms.

Ka = mini
Fiesta = city car
Fusion = mini MPV
Puma = small coupé
Focus = midsize car
Mondeo = family car
Cougar = coupé
Galaxy = MPV
Transit = van
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

BTW, for clarification, the name that they would be reviving over here in the states, it they did choose to revive it, would be Galaxie, not Galaxy. I personally think that, or possibly better, Fairlane, would be excellent choices to badge the Mondeo in the US.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

When the Contour came out, it was way too expensive. Our 95 SE stickered about $20k. This is for a car that slotted in where the Tempo used to be. A typical buyer, for that money, would step into the Taurus.

Ford did adjust the price and content in later years, but that didn't exactly do wonders for its profitability, either.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FordEurope.net:


The 500 is a concept car, the Ford Scorpio was the last luxury Ford in Europe.
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A concept car now in that the public hasn't seen anything but sketches, but not a concept car, because the 500 will be produced.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Wedge1212:
yeah the tarus is one damn crappy car.....i say mondeo all the way<hr></blockquote>

That's funny...both my Tauruses were just fine. My 89 has 150k miles and the most serious problem it has ever had was when the starter died. Or maybe the alternator (but that was easy). Obviously a POS.

Ford needs to do 3 things to make the Taurus a world-class car again:
1-GIVE IT POWER! 200 hp is not enuf. The Duratec can handle a lot more than that. Along with this goes a better transmission, maybe even an MTX (which is a possibility). TIghtening the steering wouldnt hurt either.
2-Improve quality control at the Atlanta plant. Atlanta built Tauri have far more problems than the ones built in Chicago, and this is documented. The Chicago plant is being switched over to produce the 500.
3-Keep it affordable. The Taurus costs less than the Camry and most Accords already. Jacking up the price would kill the Taurus once and for all.

Also, if you combine Sable sales with Taurus sales (since they are the same car), the Taurus sales would demolish the Camry and Accord.
 
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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jimmy:


That's funny...both my Tauruses were just fine. My 89 has 150k miles and the most serious problem it has ever had was when the starter died. Or maybe the alternator (but that was easy). Obviously a POS.

Ford needs to do 3 things to make the Taurus a world-class car again:
1-GIVE IT POWER! 200 hp is not enuf. The Duratec can handle a lot more than that. Along with this goes a better transmission, maybe even an MTX (which is a possibility). TIghtening the steering wouldnt hurt either.
2-Improve quality control at the Atlanta plant. Atlanta built Tauri have far more problems than the ones built in Chicago, and this is documented. The Chicago plant is being switched over to produce the 500.
3-Keep it affordable. The Taurus costs less than the Camry and most Accords already. Jacking up the price would kill the Taurus once and for all.

Also, if you combine Sable sales with Taurus sales (since they are the same car), the Taurus sales would demolish the Camry and Accord.
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power won't save the taurus, It has floated into the neither-region where the majority of tauri are sold to fleets, the Focus out sells the taurus in retail.

Chicago produces more defects than Atlanta.

the taurus has become a middle of the raod car it impresses no one anymore. too bad it will take 3 years before it will be replaced.
 
Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

I've been *forced* to drive a Taurus now for two weeks...and will be driving one for another two weeks. My ZTS is stuck at the dealership waiting for a new HEC module
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The Taurus' quality is a lot worse than the Focus. Some of the plastic trim looks awful in this loaner. Plus, my Focus is a lot tighter. The dramamine effect has sat in a few times. The ABS kicks in waaaaay too often. I feel like I'm 69 driving this red boat. I love the torque, but try and pass a few transports...the engine says...okay...oh wait...we're supposed to pass all of it? But the base 3.0 is pretty good on gas
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I really enjoy my ZTS. The only thing is that I wish it had more oomph. Once its time to get rid of the Focus, I'm considering getting something larger with a V6. The Mondeo would be a great choice. The way these cars handle are beyond what some of its competition can offer.

I'm probably hitting their target demographics. I'm 25, recent university graduate, working professional with a good income. If Ford wants to keep us future customers, they have to bring the Mondeo over. The aging customer base has already migrated up to the Grand Marquis and Town Car. That leaves us newbies in the dust. However, us Canadian owners are shafted. Ford of Canada decided to kill the Mercury product line (and ended up killing a few dealerships along the way). So, a rebadged Mondeo under the Mercury insignia would never get over here and alienate a future owner.

I just hope Ford doesn't try introducing a sedan for everyone. Then we'd be in GM country...and that's just a whole mess there with all those platforms and in-fighting.
 
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I really hope that Ford will produce advanced AND reliable vehicles in the near future.
Will it succeed? It better to.
1. FoMoCo continues to loose money (billions) while Honda and Toyota pocket record profits.
2. The Japanese are light years ahead in its engine technology development. By the time Ford comes up with the redesigned engines for the N.A. market Honda and Toyota will be well ahead again. (at least 5 years IMHO).
3. The Japanese are rapidly catching up with Ford in the handling department (and it doesn't take as much time and money as it does to develop powertrains IMO.)
4. The Japanese(with Huyndai joining them now) continue to expand its N.A. manufacturing base - no more worries for them about yen fluctuations and tariff barriers.
5. In CA (the trend setter) FoMoCo already sells less cars than Toyota and Honda EACH. And with Huyndai sells growing up by double digits each passing year Ford's market share will continue to erode.
6. FoMoCo dug a huge hole in the quality perception area with the Focus launch. It will take some time for publications like "Consumer Reports" to change their horrible reliability ratings of the Focus, even assuming that the next-gen model will prove to be bulletproof.
Considering all these factors, FoMoCo has some dramatic decisions to make. And if the greenies in CA finally get their way and legislate huge taxes on trucks and SUV's, Ford's profit making sector, some drastic changes will need to be done and fast. And I'm not sure if FoMoCo's capable of doing just that.(Unles they bring Carlos Ghosn aboard).

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Re: Ford (once Again!)considers Mondeo as Taurus replacement

Ford should do this, Scrap this Taurus and but reuse then name, We don't have to have the name Mondeo to do we, No.Take the Mondeo design, Interior,Exterior,Body,Frame etc.. And Build it here but call it the Taurus.Use the Duratec used in the Taurus they use now, Fine tune it a bit to push out a few more Hp and some TQ,and a few other things and there new Taurus.It will cost less for Ford by using the Engine over and using a platform already being used, We have to wait and see i guess.It's preety much what people have been trying to say an i agree the Taurus should be redesigned but not replace the name.
 
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