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Look everybody, if it's good enough for Osiris, its good enough for everyone else. So quit arguing about it. Osiris said it doesn't need more power because it might take away from handling.

What you think a car should be is irrelevant, be happy with what is offered. You should be honored that Ford allows you to purchase their cars.

Oyve
 
When I get a little more $ saved, I'll be out.
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shift, to bestow a name upon you that shares definition with male genitalia would be an understatement.

So what's it going to be? Each time I defend something built by Ford you're going to act like a little whiney boy-band geek? Grow up already. Take your pathetic attempts at sarcasm and go fornicate yourself with them.
 
Look everybody, if it's good enough for Osiris, its good enough for everyone else. So quit arguing about it. Osiris said it doesn't need more power because it might take away from handling.

What you think a car should be is irrelevant, be happy with what is offered. You should be honored that Ford allows you to purchase their cars.

Oyve
Well no one is holding a gun to your head to buy a Ford product
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shift, to bestow a name upon you that shares definition with male genitalia would be an understatement.

So what's it going to be? Each time I defend something built by Ford you're going to act like a little whiney boy-band geek? Grow up already. Take your pathetic attempts at sarcasm and go fornicate yourself with them.
Make me fan boy.

I'll meet you at sema next year.

Run your mouth to my face.
 
LOL... And now you're trying to threaten me?

If I had a dime for each time some fairy half the country away from me threatened me on a car forum I'd be living off the coast of some wealthy South Pacific island.

Really now, just how OLD are you anyway? Like 15 and a half???

Right AND wrong focusin, I do indeed like autocrossing but I enjoy a good high HP car myself ( the SVTF is by far not the quickest car I've owned ). In fact, like you, my next car is going to be an '05 GT, or quite possibly a supercharged 99+. So no, I don't hate high HP cars but I won't listen to someone bad mouth something they seemingly know nothing about.
 
LOL... And now you're trying to threaten me?

If I had a dime for each time some fairy half the country away from me threatened me on a car forum I'd be living off the coast of some wealthy South Pacific island.

Really now, just how OLD are you anyway? Like 15 and a half???

Right AND wrong focusin, I do indeed like autocrossing but I enjoy a good high HP car myself ( the SVTF is by far not the quickest car I've owned ). In fact, like you, my next car is going to be an '05 GT, or quite possibly a supercharged 99+. So no, I don't hate high HP cars but I won't listen to someone bad mouth something they seemingly know nothing about.
I'm 28. You publicly insulted me. If you had been in front of me and said that I would have KO'ed you.

Show up, or shut up.
 
IF you see a Focus with increased power it's going to be some bastard ingrate of the current ST I would imagine. It won't have the superb handling of the SVT, it will fall middle pack with handling, with probably ~200bhp. And what is this Fusion, is that Ford's answer for the Cobalt? And are Ford and Chevrolet content to let Dodge run rampant with excessive amounts of power over just about anything in either Ford or Chevy's stable?
Actually, some SVT springs and low profile tires is all the ST needs to have similar handling to the SVTF. I don't think ANY model Focus has had middle of the road handling, and I think most enthusiasts here will agree with that.

I think you will be happy with what SVT will offer, but of course, there will be a wait considering they will have to start with an entire new production cycle.
 
IF you see a Focus with increased power it's going to be some bastard ingrate of the current ST I would imagine. It won't have the superb handling of the SVT, it will fall middle pack with handling, with probably ~200bhp. And what is this Fusion, is that Ford's answer for the Cobalt? And are Ford and Chevrolet content to let Dodge run rampant with excessive amounts of power over just about anything in either Ford or Chevy's stable?
The Fusion is aimed at the Chevrolet Malibu and Pontiac G6. The Cobalt replaced the Cavalier and Sunfire, and is still aimed at the Focus. The Fusion breaks up the Taurus/Sable mid-sized family sedan. In some ways, we're going back into a cycle.

1986
- Escort, Tempo/Topaz, Taurus/Sable, Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis

1995
- Escort, Contour/Mystique, Taurus/Sable, Crown Vic/Grand Marquis

2000
- Focus, Taurus/Sable, Crown Vic/Grand Marquis

2005/6
- Focus, Fusion/Milan, Five Hundred/Montego, Crown Vic/Grand Marquis

In terms of handling, even the Five Hundred isn't that shabby on a small road course. A few of our SVTOA chapter members had a chance to take it on a road course and it surprised a lot of us. One member promptly traded in his Explorer Sport for a new Five Hundred Limited for his daily driver.
 
It would seem to me that Ford doesnt know to scratch their head or their butt.The real next Focus should have been the Mazda 3 platform with variable valve timing.A great alternative for the next SVT would have been an american version of the euro spec turbo RS.Maybe Ford will catch on to what Dodge has done with the Neon.AfFORDable cars and horsepower shouldnt have to cost an arm and a leg!!
 
New today from autoweek about the future of SVT.

Betting on SVT Futures: Ford's new hands have big plans for in-house tuner brand
BOB GRITZINGER
Published Date: 2/14/05
Maybe all the fretting, all the online chatter, all the enthusiast gnashing of teeth about the future of Ford’s Special Vehicle Team is unwarranted. Maybe we are just seeing a lull in production at that granddaddy of domestic in-house performance tuners.

“I hope so, or else I’m out of a job,” says Ford engineer Hau Thai-Tang, the newly named director of SVT, replacing SVT icon John Coletti who retired at the end of 2004.

Something tells us Thai-Tang, the Vietnamese native who recently completed his self-described dream job—as chief engineer on the 2005 Mustang development team—won’t hurt for work anytime soon. But whether that work focuses on future SVT vehicles, and what form those products might take, remains to be seen.

Rest assured, though, Thai-Tang and his boss, Ford product creation vice president Phil Martens (himself a relative newbie, having just taken control of the product leadership position at Ford after the Dec. 1 retirement of engineering whiz Chris Theodore), are saying the right things.

Martens will admit he was getting upward of 15 letters a day from alarmed SVT faithful after Coletti’s retirement announcement. But his answers to them:

“SVT is actually bigger, staff-wise, than ever before.”
“We see SVT growing to about five products.”
“SVT is, and will remain, a Ford-branded product.”
“The core of every SVT program is its powertrain; second is chassis dynamics.”
“The next-generation Cobra will be the best one ever.”
Martens, who approved the next SVT Cobra a day before we interviewed him in January, pointed to the Mustang as an example of a product engineer­ed from the outset with an SVT version in mind.

SVT products need to be created as part of a model plan, instead of being develop­ed after the main product line has left the drawing board, he says. That way it will prevent embarrassing program delays (see SVT Lightning) or cancellations, and allow Ford to use SVT as a launching pad for new performance technologies, says Martens.

That’s fine when it comes to finances and product planning, but doesn’t a large portion of SVT’s success lie in its indepen­- dence from the mother ship? Or are they starting to learn lessons about integration from upstarts at Chrysler Street and Racing Technology and GM Performance Division?

Martens says SVT will remain a stand-alone operation, at least physically, but the team will now enjoy a direct line of communication to the product development office. “We really need to bring SVT back to its roots, into the mainstream of product development, if we’re going to take SVT to the next level. SVT needs to be an integral part of product development.”

So what can fans expect? Martens says SVT will maintain its core of high-performance V8-powered rear-wheel-drive vehicles. It will expand into inline four-cylinder cars as well. And it will break ground venturing into all-wheel-drive performance models. Turbo- and superchargers also figure prominently. And SVT will draw heavily on lessons learned developing the Ford GT, from its racing experience, and with engineers who bring cross-systems expertise.

Thai-Tang says under his stewardship he aims to make sure SVT core values of performance, exclusivity, substance and value remain intact. “It’s easy to build a strong-performing $100,000 car,” he says. “It’s a lot harder to do a strong-performing $20,000 car. You have to be a lot more creative.”

Martens admits even when you put all the pieces in place, you still must have “the moxie to develop the products—you have to have people with cars at the core of their essence.”

One of those guys, SVT papa Coletti, wishes his successors the best: “We’ve laid down a lot of rubber, and I hope the company will continue to do that.”

Lookin’ Live

When Ford rolls out the SVT Cobra version of its all-new Mustang at the New York auto show in March, take a peek underneath. If our sources are right, your prying eyes will spy a live rear axle—not an independent rear suspension, the setup that would be in keeping with the suspension on the outgoing model, and is therefore anticipated by the SVT Cobra faithful.

Ford execs are officially mum, including product chief Phil Martens, who said as recently as the Detroit auto show that no decision had been made on the Cobra’s suspension. Hau Thai-Tang, chief engineer on the 2005 Mustang and now SVT chief, did hint we can expect the next Cobra to surpass 400 hp (we hear 450 hp) and hit a price of about $40,000. The SVT Cobra goes on sale in 2006 as an ’07 model.
 
It will expand into inline four-cylinder cars as well. And it will break ground venturing into all-wheel-drive performance models. Turbo- and superchargers also figure prominently. And SVT will draw heavily on lessons learned developing the Ford GT, from its racing experience, and with engineers who bring cross-systems expertise.

Thai-Tang says under his stewardship he aims to make sure SVT core values of performance, exclusivity, substance and value remain intact. “It’s easy to build a strong-performing $100,000 car,” he says. “It’s a lot harder to do a strong-performing $20,000 car . You have to be a lot more creative.”
......Or is that just wishful thinking......let's hope not
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Wow, some serious mud slinging going on in here. Someone had commented in here regarding the Focus Handeling Ability. I have the 2003 Focus Centennial (ZTS), it came with 16 in. rims and nice Firestone Firehawks. (Not sure exactly which dimention tires) The tires are wide and that car handles great! It corners nicely and handles great in the rain. Would be nice to see another SVT, however, I don't want to pay premium gas prices.
 
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