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What kind of "road testing" are they doing? From what I have seen, most of these cheap off-shore coilovers are test fitted and nothing else. Some times the test fit is questionable as well. Durability testing? No. Track test? No. Dyno test? Not a chance. I hope I am wrong but based on history with these sort of things, I very much doubt it. Good dampers cost real money to make. They require precision machining and quality components. You cannot cut corners and hope to have something that will perform well or last.
see the raceland page on facebook for yourself, ive been in contact with a couple people at raceland and now they even posted an update with a picture of their SVT test car fitted with them. they are doing actual road testing
 
see the raceland page on facebook for yourself, ive been in contact with a couple people at raceland and now they even posted an update with a picture of their SVT test car fitted with them. they are doing actual road testing
Are they the manufacturer? Or are they another one of these BC coilover re-box outfits? If they actually make the stuff, like Bilstein, Koni, etc., then I might be less pessimistic.
 
Are they the manufacturer? Or are they another one of these BC coilover re-box outfits? If they actually make the stuff, like Bilstein, Koni, etc., then I might be less pessimistic.
He said he saw it on Racelands FB page.. Which is the manufacturer. After looking, I saw it as well. Maybe they will be just as well produced as your "top quality" coilovers and will have a price tag right around it. But seeing how you've posted in this forum in the past, they could be track tested by Bilstein themselves and get a great rating and you still wouldn't say they were quality (Would never happen, just making a point about the bias we will be seeing from BOTH sides of the spectrum anywhere this topic gets brought up on FJ due to the two drastically differing crowds). Now, since they are doing this, you can only talk from their last coilover which I KNOW you've never used. I'm not expecting much from them, but I am willing to see the results because unlike most, they are actually attempting to better their product and customer base..

Oh, I just browsed their site and unlike most coilover companies, they do not take one photo and use that as their "stock photo" for every kit they sell. They have a specific picture for every kit and application.

On to you being less pessimistic though.. :lol:, lets be real here.. That'll happen the same day us "Stancypants" people think a coilover at it's max height is "too low".

-Matt
 
in my opinion do i think the new racelands will be on "top quality" level? no, these are not $1k coilovers, they are still going to be around ~500 from what i have read/seen but i know for sure that the quality and ride will be much better then the first batches of coilovers raceland made when they first came on the scene. hopefully these will be on the level of ksports or atleast close
 
in my opinion do i think the new racelands will be on "top quality" level? no, these are not $1k coilovers, they are still going to be around ~500 from what i have read/seen but i know for sure that the quality and ride will be much better then the first batches of coilovers raceland made when they first came on the scene. hopefully these will be on the level of ksports or atleast close
Oh, I doubt they will be too. I think they'll turn out much like ksports if they're actually doing road testing as they say..

-Matt
 
yea im pretty excited, its either racelands or ground controls since i just picked up some AGX shocks
GC sleeves + AGXs may be a bad idea depending on the height and spring rate. They can't handle much more than 1.5" below stock. They've been used with H&R race springs (~2-2.25" lower) but they had to be really cranked up to dampen the springs at that height and rate.
 
He said he saw it on Racelands FB page.. Which is the manufacturer. After looking, I saw it as well.
There is a difference between being a manufacturer and a supplier. There are many companies that don't make anything that supply a lot of things based solely on a brand name. In my experience, while some companies have gotten the supplier model right, most of the time you are better off sticking with a manufacturer.

I'm not expecting much from them, but I am willing to see the results because unlike most, they are actually attempting to better their product and customer base.
I agree on both counts. My skepticism is based on their main selling point being lowest cost. It is a rare occurrence that a company that goes for the lowest price actually delivers anything other than that. Product improvement costs money and as soon as you start down that road, you are no longer the lowest cost.

On to you being less pessimistic though.. :lol:, lets be real here.. That'll happen the same day us "Stancypants" people think a coilover at it's max height is "too low".

-Matt
Glad to see you have a sense of humor. :) You are absolutely correct in that I will stick with what I know until it fails me. I will also continue to be pessimistic about newcomers because I have seen far too many big hype, low quality companies come in with fancy looking parts and prices that are lower than market. Where are they now? Nowhere to be found or tiny compared to what they once were for coilovers. JIC Magic. Tein. Bunch of others I have thankfully forgotten. I had people try to convince me that these companies did all kinds of testing and where just as good as anything else. I don't know anyone who bought their parts twice, while I do know a few people who check the price and availability of Bilsteins and/or Konis before they buy a car.

But back to the original question, my answer stands. For track work, who want a monotube and that design requires a level of precision that doesn't come cheap. You'll spend as much money or more for Bilstein monotubes (with or without H&R branding) that have zero adjustment as you will for many adjustable twin tubes, but at the end of the day, I think it is worth it. Adjustment on blown twin tubes don't do anything anyway.
 
A friend of mine ran AGXs with Intrax springs are they were not capable of handling the spring rate. Suspension was not very well controlled. It wasn't a pogo stick by any means, but you could tell that the spring rate was overpowering the dampers.
 
A friend of mine ran AGXs with Intrax springs are they were not capable of handling the spring rate. Suspension was not very well controlled. It wasn't a pogo stick by any means, but you could tell that the spring rate was overpowering the dampers.
Yeah, those are near H&R Race rates. A few people have said they had good luck running that combo, but like you I question it.
 
I would put that setup in the category of "acceptable if I have no better alternative", but since there are a number of better ways to go, I don't see the point. As you said, the AGXs will likely serve as a decent shock for a lower rate set of springs. I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at them if it were just to make a car a little more fun and responsive for the daily commute.
 
"Mr. Stancypants" is hardly a use terms violation.

Let's get back on topic before I actually moderate something.
shut em' down!

on topic, H&Rs on Konis are a great route but do not expect to track them, you're going to want something much stiffer like the aforementioned H&R/Bilstien coilover, I would also recommend a thicker front sway bar and a massive(not Massive Speed) rear sway bar, something like the Steeda for better rotation and a more neutral feel, there's nothing more terrifying in my experience than understeer mid corner, which is why I run big bars and trail break HEAVILY...

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thought i read it on focus fanatics but i may be wrong, oh well so AGX would be fine on an apex lowering spring?
FF... there's your problem... :D

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