[Dracconix]

Ok.... to break it down for you..... I know my drawing is rough.... but I think it gets the point across.... do what you will.... it's your $$....

 

[smokethebear]

I get what everyone here is saying, and it all makes sense.

In any group, there is always at least one who welcomes all ideas and encourages them, no matter how weird they seem, and there is always at least one who takes each and every opportunity to slam down ideas, no matter how much those ideas seem to make sense.

It's what makes the world a little less boring...

 

[wendell]

I just don't see the harm in letting them play around with it. I'm not saying it will work, or it would be worth buying, but that is how mods are created, by experimenting. Maybe thier spacer will end up having a muffler on it or something (being funny). I understand why it shouldn't work on a fi engine, at the same time I have seen them work on jeep inline fi engines. I had one on my 5.4 v8, and nothing. I have one on my ranger 4.0, it makes a neat whitsle like a turbo, but thats about it. "O', and it's pretty. So Iv'e seen them work, and not work, maybe they will find something that nobody else has found, if not, it's thier time that has been wasted. I supose the turonator worked on something somewhere down the line, and no I don't have one, or have I ever tried it, or plan to. Even as dumb as I am, I don't see how an obstruction in the intake could help hee hee.

 

[Dwzx3fc]

I'm not one to slam ideas.I have been down the road for easy power gains
before.I usually am the one people slam.The crap I took for saying not to remove
the balance shafts was horrid.Try the dyno thing guys,you never know.Stranger
things have happened.

 

[Oreo]

Look... it's foolish to discuss this kind of thing here in the first place. For the people considering R&D'ing this kind of thing... YOU need to ask YOURSELVES if you think it's worth the risk.

You come here & ask people who know these engines what we think & you have been granted our educated opinions.

Bottom line, if you can prove & then convice us your finished products work, then they will sell.

So I guess you gotta ask yourself... Do a feel lucky PUNK?!! DO YA?!!

 

[Andy Smith]

All you guys saying it won't do anything make me proud At least the helical cuts in it certainly wont. The spacer can in fact help. It's essentially like lengthening the intake manifold runners which will help shift the powerband around a little. Now read that with a grain of salt, if you're spacer is like 1 inch thick, it may be able to shift the band around so you could get some advantage, but in all likelyhood it won't do much for you. It's something you'd have to use a design program with pretty good CFD analysis to figure out, without that you'd just be guessing, and guessing is what made our cars worse than the ones from Asia in the 80's and early 90's. :-D

Anyway, with that said if you have the knowledge and CFD tools at your disposal try it out...see if the product is worth making R+D is a wonderful thing.

 

[FocusTuner27]

Thanks for all the opinions and input, both positive and negative. That's exactly what we were looking for. The first Tower will be made soon for the Roush, and then for my PZEV. We will have records and/or video of all testing to be done (flow, dyno, etc.). Hopefully we'll get some kind of gain from the Tower itself, and if not alone, with CAI and aftermarket TB. Thanks again, and please, feel free to keep this post alive. We'd like to hear more from people, and we will give updates as we get them.

 

[FocusTuner27]

The idea has been brought up about having an injection port incorporated into the design. If the spacer itself works well, then we will definately consider an injection port for whatever substance speed happy hearts desire

 

[FocusTuner27]

I've been informed that someone had an injection port for methanol before his throttle body, which would obviously be true for a port on this spacer. Since the injection port came before the TB, the methanol was pooling and under boosted pressure (turbo) was being forced into the TPS, thus causing it to short and....well, you can guess how fun that is. The idea of the port has not been abandoned though, we'll just have to make sure that if we do use one, that it doesn't recreate this problem.

 

[Dwzx3fc]

I've been informed that someone had an injection port for methanol before his throttle body, which would obviously be true for a port on this spacer. Since the injection port came before the TB, the methanol was pooling and under boosted pressure (turbo) was being forced into the TPS, thus causing it to short and....well, you can guess how fun that is. The idea of the port has not been abandoned though, we'll just have to make sure that if we do use one, that it doesn't recreate this problem.

Like anything,if it is done right,it can work.You just have to get a better angle
for the spray to miss the TPS area.Anybody can make a car faster.When it comes
down to it,it's a matter of how much $ one is willing to put into an Economy Car.
Like I usually say"Whatever Floats Your Boat".

 

[c4uldr0n]

imo it doesn't hurt to try it out. if it doesn't work, atleast you didn't make a huge quantity and loose your ass in materials

 

[wickedgreyzx3]

who ever said about it making longer runners, who cares. gain .25ft/lbs of torque but loose 4 or 5 hp at the top... and anways you can always just use a bigger silicone cupling on your intake