[jinstall]

Here is what I think you are looking for. TAS 3846 128.00 euros

http://www.isa-racing.de/2005/Katalogseiten%20JPG/Seite-242.jpg

 

[OmniFocus]

I know someone is testing the units and I believe he has said he's impressed but not worth the price that you'll end up paying for em.

Still don't have the spherical bearing we're all looking for......

We just attempted to order a set of the K-mac spherical bearing plates from K-mac directly. They called and claimed that we don't want the spherical bearings, because they need replacement after only two road races, and will not last.

...so we bought the standard K-Macs instead.

 

[BUR_ZX3]

What is your take on them Lorin? Or have you run em yet?

 

[belacyrf]

They are better than the specialty products plates... that much I know.

 

[OmniFocus]

What is your take on them Lorin? Or have you run em yet?

They're still sitting on a table waiting for the rest of the parts to arrive. The car won't be done for a few months, unfortunately.

 

[CharlesWA]

Any chance you can post a few pics? I've seen the top several times but the bottom (how the strut bearing attaches in particular) is still a mystery. Does it "float" with the plate that you mount the strut shaft to or is it fixed to the chassis?

 

[belacyrf]

Floats with the plate. which is why we'd prefer spherical bearings because angularity changes with adjustments and that can cause shearing lateral loads.

 

[SVTDuck]

Any chance you can post a few pics? I've seen the top several times but the bottom (how the strut bearing attaches in particular) is still a mystery. Does it "float" with the plate that you mount the strut shaft to or is it fixed to the chassis?

I will take some pictures of them this weekend, and send them to Omni for posting.

 

[RallyRide]

I will have offically ponied up the cash when K-Mac processes the order I put in for the plates earlier today. When they get here I will post pics as well. (If the are actually off the car for that long!)

 

[jinstall]

Hmm no one was interested in the ones from ISA Racing huh?

 

[belacyrf]

Do you have info on the ones from ISA?

A quality camber plate that compares to other camber plates used in racing will require the cutting of the strut towers. That little hump on the top of our towers stops us from getting good camber plates.

The K-Mak plates dont give us a whole heck of alot more than the specialty product plates other than a better design and a nicer package.

But for a camber plate that works as a camber plate shoudl allowing 2+ degrees of adjustment in either direction, you will need to modify the top of the strut towers.

 

[RallyRide]

I must have missed your reply above. Never heard of those. Plus I dont understand anything on that page. Is there any other information about the ISA plates?

 

[OmniFocus]

Here you all go:

 

[thefrush]

Holy hotness.

 

[RallyRide]

Yes!!

I put an order through the other day from their website and I haven't got any confirmation back yet.

What kind of settings are you gonna set the plates up with Omni? Max neg camber, pos caster? Does it seem if you add pos caster will it take away from amount of neg camber you can dial in?

 

[OmniFocus]

What kind of settings are you gonna set the plates up with Omni? Max neg camber, pos caster? Does it seem if you add pos caster will it take away from amount of neg camber you can dial in?

Yes, and yes... Max negative camber and pos caster... within reason. Unfortunately we don't have the REST of the suspension yet, so I don't have any firsthand data on the effects one adjustment would have on the other.

I will say they are without a doubt MUCH more compatible with a coilover than the SPC plates. The SPC "plates" move the shaft center without moving the bearing mount, so your spring is forced to tilt. These move the entire bearing mount with the shaft.

...they do, however, look like they might sacrifice a little suspension travel at a given ride height due to thickness. Not sure without a comparison of parts though.

 

[belacyrf]

Omni.. they only eat up suspension travel if you have coilovers and decide to lower you car back to it's original height.

After installing these plates your ride height will be about 1/2" higher than it was. So if you lower your car down a bit, yes you will sacrifice some travel. However like I said, the design of these should have much less of a shearing effect on the center shaft like the SPC plates do. While a spherical bearing would still be preferable, these are much better than what we have, and do not require modification of the strut towers.

 

[teamDFL]

Omni.. they only eat up suspension travel if you have coilovers and decide to lower you car back to it's original height.

After installing these plates your ride height will be about 1/2" higher than it was. So if you lower your car down a bit, yes you will sacrifice some travel. However like I said, the design of these should have much less of a shearing effect on the center shaft like the SPC plates do. While a spherical bearing would still be preferable, these are much better than what we have, and do not require modification of the strut towers.

So basically, what you are saying is that they do eat up suspension travel because for a given ride height, you have less travel.

 

[belacyrf]

Well the excess parts sit on top of the spring mounting plate, so ride height is higher. Does that eat suspension travel? If you had about 8 inches of travel before, and now your car is 1/2" higher, dont you still have 8 inches of travel?

Here's a mounted pic:

 

[teamDFL]

Well the excess parts sit on top of the spring mounting plate, so ride height is higher. Does that eat suspension travel? If you had about 8 inches of travel before, and now your car is 1/2" higher, dont you still have 8 inches of travel?

Yes, but that is not how things are generally reported. Travel is measured for a given ride height. For example, if you buy struts with shortened bodies, you can gain 1" of travel (or more). Now, is it fair to say that a stock configuration damper can give the same travel? It can, if you change the ride height. If the K-Macs are thicker, then they do indeed compromise travel. On a strut car, this, IMO, is totally unacceptable. Travel is limited and everything you do should be in the direction of increasing it, not reducing it. The only thing that you should do to reduce travel is lower the car. And as we have beaten to death innumerable times in this forum, that can be taken too far.

Basically, if you put these in and they raise the car 1/2", you have lost 1/2" of travel.