The PZEV already has more torque than the SVTF I believe. Either SVT needs to step up or they need to step out of the way and let mainstream Ford come out with a better performing, more cost effective, and (hopefully) more reliable car.

Or maybe somebody couldn't type and/or read their own notes and "ST" is really "SVT"? Either way SVT could use some more work in the SVTF department.

 

Seems like the SVTF is referred to as the ST170 quite a bit in Ford documentation, even in North America. Maybe he is talking about the next gen SVTF?

Yeah, that's it - the next gen SVTF/ST <font color="red"> 250 </font>

 

Hey I thought it would be called GT???

It will have to be at least 180hp.

I will explain later.

 

I will explain later.

UN-ACCEPTABLE!!!! NOW, NOW, NOW!

 

mazda 3 is supposedly getting a 180 hp 2.3... dunno if htat's what biker's saying or not. But, eh.

 

mazda 3 is supposedly getting a 180 hp 2.3... dunno if htat's what biker's saying or not. But, eh.

One magazine reported 180 on the 3 but more then likely we'll see 160 as the final number, that has been the consensus.

 

Also, you guys could be right...he might have been referring to it as the ST as in ST170 or forgot the V in SVT (which I couldn't imagine).

But I guess what CAN be gleaned from the comment is that the Focus will be getting something over and above the basic 2.3. Whether that means tweaked normal aspiration (for say 40HP more i.e. 200ish) or forced induction...I imagine we'll have to wait until the Chicago Auto Show...or at least Detroit.

 

I will explain later.

UN-ACCEPTABLE!!!! NOW, NOW, NOW!

i second this!

 

I THIRD this!!!

DATES and SPECS please. My Gold lease is up mid-next year and I'd like to get into a Focus (if they can make one powerfule enough).

The public has a right to know!!!

 

Hey I thought it would be called GT???

It will have to be at least 180hp.

I will explain later.

I Read a quote by Dave Szczupak about The 2.3 making 180hp in some applications also FYI the Japanese Spec 2.3 makes 175hp, without any fancy stuff.

 

Biker, are you back-peddling? Or are you trying to throw us off?

 

I heard that this morning and I was like "Eh! Did I hear that correctly?"

If some new model is coming out I may have to wait on getting something again for a while.

 

Biker, are you back-peddling? Or are you trying to throw us off?

Umm.... no The Japanese Spec Mazda6 2.3 makes 175hp on premium, And without a doubt the 2.3 will be making 180hp from the factory, The question is whether the Focus will make that much power this spring.

 

This is a quote from Mazda from the Frankfurt IAA

The sporty Mazda3 features seating for five and a large cargo area. Specific details as to which engines would be available in North America were unavailable; however, it's likely the Mazda3 will sport the 2.0-liter 150-horspower engine

 

This is a quote from Mazda from the Frankfurt IAA

The sporty Mazda3 features seating for five and a large cargo area. Specific details as to which engines would be available in North America were unavailable; however, it's likely the Mazda3 will sport the 2.0-liter 150-horspower engine

It can be had with both 2.0 and 2.3. Good to see the 2.0 has that much power.

 

Biker, are you back-peddling? Or are you trying to throw us off?

Umm.... no The Japanese Spec Mazda6 2.3 makes 175hp on premium, And without a doubt the 2.3 will be making 180hp from the factory, The question is whether the Focus will make that much power this spring.

Oh, it better not!

 

Biker, are you back-peddling? Or are you trying to throw us off?

Umm.... no The Japanese Spec Mazda6 2.3 makes 175hp on premium, And without a doubt the 2.3 will be making 180hp from the factory, The question is whether the Focus will make that much power this spring.

Oh, it better not!

LMAO

 

egz, don't worry bout it too much. VVT should be bolt on, more or less. And you knew about teh intake and exhaust restrictions from teh beginning

Unless the 2.3 ST comes pretty friggin soon, my money is still getting dumped on a 3

 

egz, don't worry bout it too much. VVT should be bolt on, more or less. And you knew about teh intake and exhaust restrictions from teh beginning

Unless the 2.3 ST comes pretty friggin soon, my money is still getting dumped on a 3

April 2004 is the job#1 date.

 

that very well could be soon enough...Sorta OT here, but Biker, you know of any sites that ocudl giev me an idea of how much safer the C1 will be than the c170 in terms of crashworthiness.

I know its a major improvement, I know all the new things (the 4 different strengths of steel, etc), I basically just wanna see either comparison photos or a good qualitative review. Because my focus has been hit three times, hard, and held up like a champ, just wanna see how much ebtter the new guy is gonna be. Much obliged, man.

 

that very well could be soon enough...Sorta OT here, but Biker, you know of any sites that ocudl giev me an idea of how much safer the C1 will be than the c170 in terms of crashworthiness.

I know its a major improvement, I know all the new things (the 4 different strengths of steel, etc), I basically just wanna see either comparison photos or a good qualitative review. Because my focus has been hit three times, hard, and held up like a champ, just wanna see how much ebtter the new guy is gonna be. Much obliged, man.

No crash tests yet. The difference will,I think, be in the Control of crash forces Vs the Current Focus. you would see a more staged colapse of the frontal structure in C1 Vs C170, being that the struture is more specialized in function with different mixures of steel to serve differnet Funtions.

Again won't know anything until the crash tests. the C1 will have Side curtain and side Thorax Air Bags, colapsable pedal box, and other saftey features.

 

BTW the ZETEC is dead and the SVT looks to die with it.

Notice that the C1 based C-max Doesn't use a ZETEC engine, The duratec wil be replacing it.

Escape gets the 2.3 early next year, The escort is gone and The 2005 Focus both US Euro will not use the ZETEC E. The euro Focus will get the 2.3 Early next year, maybe.

 

Again won't know anything until the crash tests. the C1 will have Side curtain and side Thorax Air Bags, colapsable pedal box, and other saftey features.

Are any of these going to find their ways into the C170 based Focus that we'll be stuck with in the US for years to come?

 

BTW the ZETEC is dead and the SVT looks to die with it.

Notice that the C1 based C-max Doesn't use a ZETEC engine, The duratec wil be replacing it.

Escape gets the 2.3 early next year, The escort is gone and The 2005 Focus both US Euro will not use the ZETEC E. The euro Focus will get the 2.3 Early next year, maybe.

So could one conclude that there will be no 2005 SVT Focus? And no planned return of said Focus?

 

we're not gonna get the 4 grades of steel in the frontal structure, obviously...but i imagine most of the other safety features will make their way into the c170