Told ya!

Still wanna Camaro now, Honkeytonk and Ducman?

lol

 

A Camaro is a different car for a different customer.

 

A Camaro is a different car for a different customer.

How is that so difficult for some to understand? :dunno:

 

The Mustang will be a great car next year, but you gotta admit that Ford looks to be behind the curve with just a face lifted car for 2009.

With comparable power under the hood, the Mustang will be able to take advantage of its weight advantage. Plus it'll get better fuel economy.

 

That's the thing though....its more than just a face lift...Sit them both ( 2010 and older ) side by side and nearly every panel is different, so is the interior.

and big daddy, if its so different why are so many people still comparing the two?

Cross shopping them is inevitable. The Mustang now is only a little bit behind the Camaro based on power, still think the Camaro will be on top ( according to some articles anyway ) once the Mustang is smoking it?

 

and big daddy, if its so different why are so many people still comparing the two?

because people LOVE to have something to disagree about! :lol:

if I had the coin, I'd take one of each.

 

The Camaro and Mustang are definitely in the same class and appeal to many of the same buyers. Naturally, there are die-hards in both camps. I can pretty much guarantee there will be buyers trading in Mustangs for Camaros. They will likely be kicking themselves later though.

On the other hand (at this point), it looks as if GM will be going to a bankruptcy as well as Chrysler. It remains to be seen how that will play out in the hearts of consumers.

 

400hp 400ft.lbs + less weight than the Camaro hisser. The Stang just might end up being faster than the hisser.

Will this be in the Mustang GT or is it going to be another trim level added to the line up. IMO it should be the GT.

 

I will be purchasing one of these. It is going to be hard to wait. I've been checking out some of the 2010's already and really love the redesign. Hopefully that engine option doesn't drive it totally out of my price range.

 

I won't purchase anything until they get their weight under control. All that HP and a big fat ass won't do much. First thing almost everybody should do is put their car on a diet. Sheesh, I could unload a 100+ lbs without ever trying on most cars.

-bix

 

Told ya!

Still wanna Camaro now, Honkeytonk and Ducman?

lol

I reserve judgement on a direct comparison of the improved Stang and the SS, just as before. Never was a GM or Ford fanboi, as have had a Cobra and currently Vette.

And no one said that Ford wouldn't feel compelled to up their game, as it was pretty obvious that their 5-speed solid axle V8 was severely lacking compared to the 6spd IRS 6.2 liter powertrain in the Camaro SS that got the same fuel economy... afterall, the power levels of the V8 right now is about what the Camaro is making in base V6 trim.

The Mustang and Camaro are most definitely direct competitors, there are no two cars that compete more directly IMO as they are so close in design, price, domestic origin, and heritage. And, you can thank GM for the better Mustang powertrain, as it was surely that direct challenge to their pony car that inspired the need to up their game so they weren't down 110hp. Competition Improves the Breed!!! :thumbup:

Considering the weight difference, being slightly down on the Camaro in power is not a problem, but it will still be seen whether or not this raises the price of the Mustang (as afterall, a Mustang GT Premium w/ the track package similarly equipped to a Camaro SS MTX is slightly more expensive already) or hurts the fuel economy (the Camaro SS already matches the current smaller Ford V8 in fuel economy on MTX and beats the fuel economy with the ATX despite being larger displacement and much higher power).

In any case, great news for domestic car enthusiasts (which I consider myself)! :banana:

 

Death to the Camaro, can't wait to see the new 5.0 in action and its coming from Australia its gonna be good. I'd kill to have a Barra "Boss" 260 V8 in the Barra Falcon XR8.

 

I won't purchase anything until they get their weight under control. All that HP and a big fat ass won't do much. First thing almost everybody should do is put their car on a diet. Sheesh, I could unload a 100+ lbs without ever trying on most cars.

-bix

looking at this months Motor Trend the Mustang is already competitive and better in several areas- mostly because they are already lighter not by 100lbs by like 400 lbs

 

IMHO ... the '05-'09 Mustang was as fugly as the GT-R, 350Z, or FX35 (you pick the disgusting heap). That statement was void upon loading them up in various aftermarket gear to make them eye-appealing. Now comes the '10 Mustang. In stock GT form, badass .. why this evolution took this long, I don't know.

Now I am a total GM fanboi at heart. I'll take an LS anything and drive the daylights out of it. I am a '67-'69 Camaro whore too ... but the new '10 Camaro looks like ass.

So can I have my 2010 Mustang GT with the LS9???

 

looking at this months Motor Trend the Mustang is already competitive and better in several areas- mostly because they are already lighter not by 100lbs by like 400 lbs

SaWeeT!

400 lbs is like an effective 40 more hp in apples to apples terms. That combined with another 85hp.... uhhh... it should be .... adequate.

And then people like you will probably mod it to make it hold 1.2G :bow:

I already liking it.

-bix

 

Duc, Ford's been developing the 5.0 for a couple years now. The 'Cammer' 5.0 that Ford's been selling as a crate motor has been out since before the Camaro was even greenlighted for production. Oh, and yes, the V6 Camaro makes similar power, but more than a second slower....

Yes, you're right, competition improves the breed but I don't think it had anything to do with the power, I do think, however that Ford made a point to upgrade the interior ever since the car was announced, because of Lutz' comments...I think they had something to prove there, and in my mind they did.

Birdman, you and I think alike, haha.

 

If anything my next Ford would be a Falcon XR8 and it will be in RHD.

 

meh...I think its all vaporware until it sits in the showroom.

 

will it fit in a Focus?


...or better yet, will the BOSS 6.2 fit?

 

Still needs to drop 3-400lbs to be as light as a foxbody, so a step in the right direction it just needs another step or two.

 

Still needs to drop 3-400lbs to be as light as a foxbody, so a step in the right direction it just needs another step or two.

A big portion of the extra weight is because of added safety and cabin refinement. I think most people (myself included) are more than happy to give a 10th of a second for the added safety. Of course, there are always die hard racers but those people can just remove what they don't use and get some decent weight savings.

 

SaWeeT!

400 lbs is like an effective 40 more hp in apples to apples terms. That combined with another 85hp.... uhhh... it should be .... adequate.

And then people like you will probably mod it to make it hold 1.2G :bow:

I already liking it.

-bix

We pulled 1.49G at Buttonwillow- on street tires (for about 1/10th of a second - but you make a good point, 1 g is just a number

 

Still needs to drop 3-400lbs to be as light as a foxbody, so a step in the right direction it just needs another step or two.

ya know I have a Fox body thats been posted here-and I have a series of performance Street BDX Mustangs (12)- we are running withn 2 seconds (2:02 lap)of a AI car at Buttonwillow, and thats with us on 140 tread street tires. Point is the new cars are just better all around- the American Iron cars are normally on R1s these days- if we were on R1s we would have them covered by about 3 seconds a lap- then we would turn off the air conditioning:lol: and remove the cats

 

ya know I have a Fox body thats been posted here-and I have a series of performance Street BDX Mustangs (12)- we are running withn 2 seconds (2:02 lap)of a AI car at Buttonwillow, and thats with us on 140 tread street tires. Point is the new cars are just better all around- the American Iron cars are normally on R1s these days- if we were on R1s we would have them covered by about 3 seconds a lap- then we would turn off the air conditioning:lol: and remove the cats

(*Cat Hisssssss*)

:dunno:

I know that feel very well. There is just so much you can do with those old fox bodies :bang: . The biggest boost for me is that i'm 300 lbs lighter, but really can't get the right size tire under the car without MAJOR surgery. We won't even go into the type of band-aids going on for the suspension.

(I run AI, but put down AIX type hp.... yea... its not a bright idea :bang: :bang: )

 

hA! We love those old cars, but my god the best is hear right now