sweet. buying premium fuel all of the time is getting old.

-spatakula

 

sweet. buying premium fuel all of the time is getting old.

-spatakula

i agree...it really sucks!

 

Wouldn't this be a repost? igor2 posted this info around 6 something.

 

Not bad. Does this mean we'll see a hopped up version that takes high test in the future? We can only hope.

~Mike~

 

Don't we already have a topic about the Duratec 35? And I believe this info was even mentioned there?

 

Don't we already have a topic about the Duratec 35? And I believe this info was even mentioned there?

http://forums.focaljet.com/team-pit-stop/507677-duratec-35-a.html

 

Someone mentioned it in that thread as having "heard" that it was going to run on 87. But that's it. I just posted the official Ford press release.

 

I really do wish Ford would put this engine in the Mustang....

And maybe in 300hp AWD guise in a Fusion ST....

 

ooooo good idea! But then... it might take more sales from the V8 GT because of increased power / weight ratio... with 265 horses, thats close to what the last model GT was putting out.... from a block thats over 1L smaller.

 

~

 

I really do wish Ford would put this engine in the Mustang....

And maybe in 300hp AWD guise in a Fusion ST....

not far enough: TURBO 3.5l V6 AWD Fusion ST

- that engine is ready for FI.. Ford said at NAIAS.

Igor

 

ooooo good idea! But then... it might take more sales from the V8 GT because of increased power / weight ratio... with 265 horses, thats close to what the last model GT was putting out.... from a block thats over 1L smaller.

Nothing in a bump in power in the 3v 4.6L couldnt take care of

 

not far enough: TURBO 3.5l V6 AWD Fusion ST

- that engine is ready for FI.. Ford said at NAIAS.

Igor

Meh...I'd take a performance hit than having to be "forced" to run on premium fuel these days. Sorry, but I and others can't afford not to stomach these higher expected prices at the pumps for the summer time.

Doesn't the Toyota 3L in the Camry need Premium? I thought I read that a long time ago.

 

Not bad. Does this mean we'll see a hopped up version that takes high test in the future? We can only hope.

~Mike~

Mike the engine was designed from the get go to be able to have direct injection, turbo and hybrid capability. The posted number is not with direct injection.
Just direct injection I would guess, would give it 20 more hp and maybe 1mpg.

Look for this in Fusion and 500

 

Heck, a direct injection naturally aspirated 3.5 Duratec making 300hp on 87 octane would be kick ass....

Yummy

 

I know!! Real world performance.

I agree about the 3.5 as the 4.0 replacement. I would think its the same weight because of the drivetrain in it. Aluminum, but more cams and valves

oh nik, have some student waivers to get to you friday (from Monday) great event!

 

Meh...I'd take a performance hit than having to be "forced" to run on premium fuel these days. Sorry, but I and others can't afford not to stomach these higher expected prices at the pumps for the summer time.

Doesn't the Toyota 3L in the Camry need Premium? I thought I read that a long time ago.

Boo hoo, 3 more dollars a fill up......

The whole running premium thing isn't as bad as it seems.

 

Boo hoo, 3 more dollars a fill up......

The whole running premium thing isn't as bad as it seems.

especially for performance model..

I agree it is great the regular D35 is 87octane certified.... but I rather get some 350HP Turbo6 AWD and pay the price of premium, than have an NA 300hp....

That engine has potential..

before it was released everyone said Ford needs turbo engines.. now there is one ready for FI and people cry they would rather NA so thye can fill up regular..

I think some people need to make up their mind.

Igor

 

Someone mentioned it in that thread as having "heard" that it was going to run on 87. But that's it. I just posted the official Ford press release.

I just posted the link, because two people mentioned it as being in another thread, so i provided them with the link

 

especially for performance model..

I agree it is great the regular D35 is 87octane certified.... but I rather get some 350HP Turbo6 AWD and pay the price of premium, than have an NA 300hp....

That engine has potential..

before it was released everyone said Ford needs turbo engines.. now there is one ready for FI and people cry they would rather NA so thye can fill up regular..

I think some people need to make up their mind.

Igor

Exactly, especially when people rant that they don't want to buy some vehicle because it requires Premium fuel....

There are many other things you probably waste $3 a week on that you can be saving somewhere else.

 

Boo hoo, 3 more dollars a fill up......

The whole running premium thing isn't as bad as it seems.

When you have to fill up every three days it does seem bad. Remember, us Canadians have a price differential between regular and premium that is pretty high (usually about $0.15 to $0.20 PER LITRE).

Besides, the implication is that no additional refinements are required to get the added power. So, costs essentially drop not only for the consumer, but for the gas companies not needing to refine their oils to get the 91+ octane required. Well, that just bites them in the butt because they probably have some larger margins on higher-grade fuels.

But then here's another bit of mind candy: We've gotten this far in the automotive world with development and such. If automakers have such a wealth of technologies and resources, why can't they up power using just 87 while offering the same level of performance as if higher octane was used?

 

But then here's another bit of mind candy: We've gotten this far in the automotive world with development and such. If automakers have such a wealth of technologies and resources, why can't they up power using just 87 while offering the same level of performance as if higher octane was used?

no matter how advanced the "87 capable" engine is, you are always able to get more horsepower out of it by feeding it premium fuel. (with tuning)

 

...but if it doesn't run on E85, we can't call the engine high tech.

I think people really put too much weight on fuel cost differences. Even at 30 cents per gallon difference, it only amounts to say 250 bucks a YEAR...driving 15k miles per year. That's like 1.5 cents per mile.

I think many people would trade the small additional cost of operation for another 10hp or so.

 

Even with the 170 mile round trip drive to and from work I have, when I had my supercharged Focus, 93 octane only amounted to $1.50 or so per round trip. Not that big of a deal. However, it's good that the 3.5L does not require it, at least in this form, and I'm glad to hear the little bump in power over the initial 250 hp number we all heard. 265 hp is pretty respectable. And I agree--get rid of that awful V6 currently offered in the Mustang. It needs to die, and the sooner the better. Offer this 3.5L, and crank up the power on the GT by 20+ hp.

 

Premium fuel is like 8.5% more expensive than regular fuel right now. If you look at it in real dollar terms, the fuel cost of a 30/21car running on premium is equivalent of the cost of a 27/19 car that uses 87. Not a big difference in real dollar terms, but significant enough to affect people's choices.