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#1 ·
Ed Welburn, Head of Global Design for GM has outlined the future of GM's brand design:

- Cadillac - a bold statement, with a high level of sophistication, not bland or boring. The new CTS sedan will kick off the evolved Cadillac look.
- Saturn - a European theme tied to the Opel brand
- Buick - very sophisticated for its market segment. A premium American design, refined and well-appointed.
- Pontiac - sporty, youthful and agile design that says "seductive performance"
- GMC trucks - "industrial precision"
- Chevy trucks - a "heavy-duty" signature
- Saab - will get a strong jet aircraft identification
- Chevrolet - includes performance as a key element, but with designs regionalized to suit Chevy's global markets.

Source: Autoblog via Wards Automotive
 
#2 ·
Yeah I saw it..

IMO:
Saab - Dead in the water
Saturn: very good move.. the new grille and general design seems very nicely attractive.... that is what Mercury should be for FoMoCo

Pontiac - we doing it well. but the new G4 is just going to se them back another 5years

Buick... I think they are missing the mark there.. the "words" seen good but the products are just ugly..

Igor
 
#3 ·
What a joke. GM still has no clue. Buick, Pontiac and Saturn will never compete with Lexus, VW/Audi and Honda, respectivley. Until they overhaul their corporate culture and replace their antiquated under-performing push-rod V-6 engines (push-rod V-8s are fine) they will never "turn themselves around."
 
#6 ·
Admiral said:
Until they overhaul their corporate culture and replace their antiquated under-performing push-rod V-6 engines (push-rod V-8s are fine) they will never "turn themselves around."
I would have to agree here, except all push-rod motors.
 
#8 ·
Well, at least they are trying to do something.
Ford seems to have a decent plan, and Mr. Bill seems to be kicking some butt. I might not agree with some of their decisions, but it is a plan designed to sell more cars.
However, this the first hint of a plan like this that I've seen from GM. GM has been all about cutting costs (which is important) and not trying to sell more cars.

Frankly, I don't see how doing this minor shift (basically, Saturn's change it the only real change I see) is going to do much, but at least it is a step.
 
#9 ·
saturn is shaping up to be a really cool brand
the sky roadster is great!

I really think they need to do away with Buick (or at least the styling they're going for) I saw them at the auto show and was NOT impressed at all.
 
#16 ·
Corporate talk (aka marketing) is one thing but to show they are doing it correctly is another.I will believe it when I see it.IMO GM is still oversaturated with brands.heck SAAB doesn't even have a platform of its own it is all GM platforms.
 
#17 ·
Admiral said:
What a joke. GM still has no clue. Buick, Pontiac and Saturn will never compete with Lexus, VW/Audi and Honda, respectivley. Until they overhaul their corporate culture and replace their antiquated under-performing push-rod V-6 engines (push-rod V-8s are fine) they will never "turn themselves around."
But they were already putting Honda parts in Saturns what more do you want! :lol:

If GM really wants to get serious, why don’t they do a brand name shift. Do something like Spring/Nextel… “Opel, together with Saturn” and REALLY push the E spec part of the brand to get it to sell to import brands. Eventually dropping the Saturn name, and just having the Opel. Just like many people though Subaru’s were an Australian car company, the general public should think Saturn is a European brand if they really want to compeer with VW etc…
 
#18 ·
rpvitiello said:
If GM really wants to get serious, why don’t they do a brand name shift. Do something like Spring/Nextel… “Opel, together with Saturn” and REALLY push the E spec part of the brand to get it to sell to import brands. Eventually dropping the Saturn name, and just having the Opel. Just like many people though Subaru’s were an Australian car company, the general public should think Saturn is a European brand if they really want to compeer with VW etc…

Because Opel has 0 name reginition outside automotive forums in the US? :rolleyes:

Knowing GM they'll **** this up too
 
#19 ·
SilverSVT said:
Because Opel has 0 name reginition outside automotive forums in the US? :rolleyes:

Knowing GM they'll **** this up too
I will wait for the verddict on this one.. so far the solstice/sky/Opel gt(?) came out well..

The aura bears remarkable resemblance to Vectra etc..

In europe, Opel usually trails the VW/Ford domination (in reviews at least)... there is nothing quite like it in the us...

but you are right Silver... there are plenty ways to screw this up ... but since they are moving the saturn make litle upmarket... it can actually give them enough space to NOT to have to chapen those cars beyond recognition.

Igor
 
#20 ·
SATURN IS DEAD

After, much fanfare about making Saturn nicely European with Opel inspired models, Autonews.com repots on the dark side of the deal - Saturn just lost decisive power over its lineup. It seems that while they will have "input" in the early stages of development, the final decisions will all be made by GM and Opel, and Saturn will eithger have rebeadges of US GM vehicles (such as the upcoming crossover) or Opel vehicles, none unique. Oh and as Always somehow Lutz and Wagoner are proud of this development.

read more:
SOURCE: http://autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060306/SUB/60303126/1003&refsect=

GENEVA -- Saturn's future looks a lot like the present-day status of General Motors' British subsidiary, Vauxhall.

Vauxhall slaps its badge on cars created by GM's German subsidiary, Adam Opel AG. That's what Saturn will do, at least in the heart of its car lineup, GM executives said in interviews at the Geneva auto show.

The move is meant to bring European design flair and sporty handling to Saturn. But it's also a sign of GM's move to strip regional and brand executives of authority to modify global decisions in engineering, design and manufacturing.

Saturns still will be built in North America, not Europe. GM executives aren't talking about importing and rebadging vehicles produced at Opel plants overseas, but rather making the identical cars in the United States.

But brand bosses would lose some control. Robert Lutz, GM vice chairman and head of global product development, said that in much of its lineup, "Saturn will be like Vauxhall."

He added: "Now Opel cars will be done for three brands instead of two."

Not 100%

The changes will play out in the heart of the car lineup, with the next Saturn Ion subcompact likely to be a rebadged Opel Astra. Carl-Peter Forster, president of General Motors Europe, said the 2007 Saturn Aura, which replaces the defunct L series mid-sized car in Saturn's lineup, is "clearly Opel-inspired."

The Aura shares the Epsilon mid-sized car platform with the Opel Vectra. GM Europe's design studio in Ruesselsheim, Germany, influenced the styling.

But GM CEO Rick Wagoner said the Opelization of Saturn is not total. The Saturn lineup also will include vehicles exclusive to North America, he said.

One example is the coming Saturn Outlook crossover, built on the Lambda architecture in Lansing, Mich.

Vauxhall derivative

When working with Opel, Saturn officials will participate in initial product planning, Lutz said. But they won't be able to dictate changes.

"Saturn would be involved early on, but I would say they're definitely the junior partner in the relationship," Lutz said.

"The Opel product is good. Does Saturn wish they had an Opel Astra (compact car) instead of a Saturn Ion?"

You bet, Lutz contends.

Lajdziak: 'We feel very good'

Jill Lajdziak, general manager of the Saturn brand, said Saturn and Opel will work together as partners and will make sure products will work in both regions.

"Obviously we feel very good about our relationship with Opel," Lajdziak said. "It's a good example of leveraging GM's global capabilities."

As for replacing the Ion with Opel's Astra, Lajdziak said that Saturn is looking at several alternatives for the Ion, but she declined to discuss those options.

No to regionalism

Lutz clearly has little patience for what he called "the ugly head of regionalism" that results in changes to vehicle designs coming in from another region.

He cited U.S. engineers' decision to soften the ride of the Opel Astra when creating two platform mates, the U.S.-built Pontiac G6 and Chevrolet Malibu. The result, Lutz said, was additional work and inferior vehicle handling.

"Part of it is job protection; part of it is the old regionalism coming through that 'we have our own standards in the United States, and we're not going to pick up what the Europeans do,' " Lutz said.

"We are going to be watching this like a hawk. Nothing gets changed unless it absolutely has to."

The benefit, Lutz said, is in cutting component costs and product development costs. If it can enforce its plan, GM can save as much as 40 percent on engineering costs of new vehicles.

Said Lutz: "This is the advantage of it being my budget and not a regional budget."

Leslie J. Allen contributed to this report

You may e-mail Dave Guilford at dguilford@crain.com
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Igor
 
#21 ·
igor2 said:
SATURN IS DEAD

After, much fanfare about making Saturn nicely European with Opel inspired models, Autonews.com repots on the dark side of the deal - Saturn just lost decisive power over its lineup. It seems that while they will have "input" in the early stages of development, the final decisions will all be made by GM and Opel, and Saturn will eithger have rebeadges of US GM vehicles (such as the upcoming crossover) or Opel vehicles, none unique. Oh and as Always somehow Lutz and Wagoner are proud of this development.

read more:
SOURCE: http://autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060306/SUB/60303126/1003&refsect=


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Igor
They don't need input. They just need Opels.
 
#22 ·
I find this direction for Saturn to be ironic, considering Saturn's roots as the American car brand, starting from scratch and doing it the right way. I also find it funny that when Saturn was created, its connection to GM was seriously downplayed, even to the point of some people stating that it was not a GM brand. Yeah.

Having said that, I think now that Saturn has been gobbled up as everyone with a clue knew it would be sooner or later, this direction is probably a good thing.
 
#23 ·
Admiral said:
What a joke. GM still has no clue. Buick, Pontiac and Saturn will never compete with Lexus, VW/Audi and Honda, respectivley. Until they overhaul their corporate culture and replace their antiquated under-performing push-rod V-6 engines (push-rod V-8s are fine) they will never "turn themselves around."
ok cadillac is to compete with lexus not buick............ old people love their buicks and always will we dont understand them because were not 70 years old...

pontiac and the new saturn should perform well and each has comprable products to their comptition......

chevy totally sucks but thats another story....the cobalt is ridicusly ugly :lol:
 
#25 ·
focaljet-1 said:
Ed Welburn, Head of Global Design for GM has outlined the future of GM's brand design:

- Cadillac - a bold statement, with a high level of sophistication, not bland or boring. The new CTS sedan will kick off the evolved Cadillac look.
- Saturn - a European theme tied to the Opel brand
- Buick - very sophisticated for its market segment. A premium American design, refined and well-appointed.
- Pontiac - sporty, youthful and agile design that says "seductive performance"
- GMC trucks - "industrial precision"
- Chevy trucks - a "heavy-duty" signature
- Saab - will get a strong jet aircraft identification
- Chevrolet - includes performance as a key element, but with designs regionalized to suit Chevy's global markets.

Source: Autoblog via Wards Automotive
Well, when I saw it, my first reaction was, "Are they serious about this, or is this like GM's 'brand management' strategy from the '90s where they mostly gave identical cars different sheet metal?" If they did this in the heyday of their "Sell cars like they're toothpase" era, this could have meant:

- Cadillac: Ugly cutting edge style.
- Saturn: Weird styling that they can't sell in America.
- Buick: Make it look stodgy.
- Pontiac: Lots of silly body strakes.

And so on.

Now, if they were serious (or I were in charge :D ) that might mean something more like this:

- Cadillac: Disect a couple BMW's and Mercedeses to get as many measures of comfort and luxury as possible. Make sure the new Caddies beat them at all of these while being careful not to let the idea of iDrives infect any of our designers.
- Saturn: Make sure every car has taut handling, good fit and finish, and the like.
- Buick: Add NVH reducing features that are not found on any of their platform mates. Get it as quiet as a Lexus. Any engineer responsible for designing things prone to rattling will be fired.
- Pontiac: Every car must be available with a six-speed, have a standard suspension stiff enough to irritate Consumer Reports, and have one or two factory race models available at all times, a la the Neon ACR or Integra Type-R.
- GMC trucks: Personally, I'd drop all their small trucks and concentrate on heavy duty things like the Top Kick, but if you've got to keep them, make them all basic, Spartan, no-nonsense work trucks.
- Saab: Give them back their independance and let them do their own stuff.
- Chevy: Global market? That means get serious about B-segment cars, and could you bring over some of the wierd little things from South America, too?

The question is whether they are going to do this brand management at the styling or the engineering level. Unfortunately, given their past brand management...
 
#26 ·
MadScientistMatt said:
- Pontiac: Every car must be available with a six-speed, have a standard suspension stiff enough to irritate Consumer Reports, and have one or two factory race models available at all times, a la the Neon ACR or Integra Type-R.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

The rest of the stuff you posted is.....errr, how to put it.........oh yes......:screwy: