For those who are curious, this is the April issue of HCI and it's on page 97.

 

Nice 52 whp increase but only 2 ftlbs of torque

That sucks

 

I'm not impressed.

 

It's supposed to be a 20+ ftlbs increase in torque, but their dyno pics are confusing and don't make sense. They baselined the HP, but not the torque I'm guessing. THe second picture was the overall graphy after a couple of runs. Unless I'm still looking at it wrong.

If I remember correctly, these were the final numbers

204 whp and 156 ft/lbs of torque

And that's from what 148whp and 129 wft/lbs ??

[ 03-12-2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: dongnong ]

 

OK I read the article and figured out what they did. They had a prototype SVT JRSC focus which they baselined with a bigger pulley, resulting only in 181whp and the resulting torque, that's why the second picture looks different. The 2nd run with that dyno is with a CAI they experimented with resulting in 6-7whp.

The FIRST picture is the dyno of the FINAL kit, but they left out torque

[ 03-12-2003, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: dongnong ]

 

Sorry to say but that sucks...lol I have what 168whp and 144 ft.lb.torque. I will be near there when the cams come out and maybe another good bolt on. Nahh I will stay all motor until and good SC comes out. But cams here i come...

Its just my 2 cent though...

 

Tell us what you really think Naz

 

Naz, please do not hold your feelings inside like that... Its just not healthy! But I will have to agree with every word you said... AND I AM SOOOOOO GLAD I DIDNT ORDER THE JRSC YET...

 

Naz, Honestly, you and tom can go take your $5500 turbo package and shove it. 19k for an SVT + 5200 or whatever for the turbo and you're at 25k...Thanks I can buy a loaded WRX for that money and I have a warranty and AWD to show for it. Woop D Doo you make 300whp, i should hope so for that kind of money. And what happens if you Nuke your motor/drivetrain? Is Tom gonna buy you a new car? It is YOU my friend, who got ripped off and are now just trying to make others feel bad about their purchases to justify yourself. I would never have said anything, because people can do whatever they want with their money, but you 2 can't keep your mouths shut, so why should I.

 

OMG...this **** again??? JUst let it go...just let it go...can't we all just be friends...NA, SC'd or Turbo'd...???

CCC

 

Originally posted by nazthug:
bwaaahaahaa
That torque is really lame though

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Naz, we can all stop comparing this kit to a turbo or fully developed N/A.........it is what it is....a CARB certified, locked hood reliable option for more power.
Therein lies the appeal for some people. Whether it appeals to us or not, is a completely different question.

 

ZXMurph -- perfectly said.

Not sure why, but there are quite a few turbo guys out there with stick's up their @$%. Not really sure why.

 

I just read on another message board someone mentioning that "Oscar Jacksons SVT Focus runs a 14.1 quarter mile bone stock with just the blower."

I've PM'd the dude on the details, but anyone read/heard this yet? Or is this just a bunch of hoowee...

 

Bone stock is what, 15.7? If thats true, seems like a pretty good investment.

 

Naz, I got respect for what you have done with your ride. I agree with some of the other posters that when you consider power output and $$$'s to get them, you have an expensive 14.1 sec qtrmile car. I think you have mentioned before that you have spent more like $10K on you turbo by the time you finally got it all worked out with dyno time and the pectel. $10K plus a ZX3 plus hundreds of hours in tuning--not a good deal for the $$$. Go buy a WRX or a used S4.

SVT plus $2750 for the jackson should net you a low 14 second car. Not bad for the price and pretty reliable. For the money, that is a great car. You yourself have mentioned the importance of reliability in your daily driver.

 

If the JRSC will put up a 14.1 on a stock SVT add exhaust and an intake I bet you'll see a 13.9. Not bad. Consider that this will suprise the Neon SRT sitting next to you and is only .7 seconds off a LS1 Z28. If the numbers are accurate I will buy this kit. I'm not sure how much more power can be effectivly be put down in a FWD car and keep it a daily driver. There is a point of no returns.

 

Originally posted by nazthug:


a Supercharged...yes, SUPERCHARGED SVT focus makes LESS torque than a N/A package does on a STOCK FOCUS zx3...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Naz.. you're such a dork

I'm putting 150ft/lbs to the wheels with 3 power mods. So the SVT has some potential. We all know torque is about flow, so even with a jackson, with off-road pipe and exhaust I bet you'll see 170 ft lbs (just guessing).

Either way... Naz what car would you rather be driving when it comes time to get that smog check that you are going to have to go through in a couple years???

Jackson is a reliable out of the box solution for more power, and it's CARB legal.. AND... Jackson has been known to go to bat for their customers when it comes to ford trying to kill the warranty because of the supercharger. So the major advantages of the jackson cannot be counted on the dyno!

 

It is kinda funny I never ever thought i would defend Tom OR Naz,But it costs 2600.00 for a jrsc.For that kind of cash you get 45 hp.Where is the logic?45 hp for 2600 bucks and still have a car that can get beat by a nicely modded car without a sc.You could get a head,stg II cams and Nitrous for way less and totally blow a supercharged car away.Wow I am sold.I guess those of us who have turbos are just spoiled with REAL power.

SCHROED

 

Not even 45HP if you look at the graph you will see a spike that happens very often at the end of a dyno run,If it were not for the spike it WOULD NOT of even made 200 maby 197 ,198 so thats less than a 40HP gain at the wheels

jrsc 40HP gain for 2600 =65.00 per HP
jrsc NA gain for NA = NA per HP

NA = NOT AVAILABLE

turbo kit 110HP gain for 5800 = 53.72 per HP
turbo kit 150HP gain for 5800 = 38.66 per HP

jrsc TQ gain 20
turbo TQ gain 90

Tom

 

Kind of funny, if you spend 6000 on tom's kit you get more hp, but not that much, last I heard tom's svt kit put out 220 something to the wheels. so what's you point. If you want to run race gas all the time, you get more, but at $5.00 a gallon, c'mon. Also don't forget our car has crappy pistons so why risk it. As for real power, I would put money on it right now that if most of these people wanted real power the wouldn't have bought a focus, I have only seen one unibody focus to date with real power, and its a wagon and would run circles around turbo tom's setup. Maybe this will start some controversy, LOL.

[ 03-12-2003, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: svo_dave ]

 

I'll say it again, the benefits of the Jackson are the things that cannot be measured on the dyno. And tom your kit is only for those on the eastern side of the US. Us westerners cannot drive to North Caroline to get it installed. So it's not even close to a valid comparison.

I love your kit, but it's hardly "feasible" for all situations.

 

turbo kit 110HP gain for 5800 = 53.72 per HP
turbo kit 150HP gain for 5800 = 38.66 per HP

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Not all of us have that much money to spend on a kit of any kind. At the absolute max im spending $5000 on this car, because i know in a couple years ill have the funding to move up to a Cobra or Lightning. It takes commitment to spend nearly $6000 on one thing, commitment that alot of us cant afford to have.

Now i know that you want people to buy your kit, thats quite understandable. But comparing it to this and that in every post and knocking other products is really quite lame. That $5800 is just the cost of the kit. As i understand, you dont get any tuning done, just the kit alone. What the actual cost after everything has been tuned correctly and is running perfectly?

Respect the thing for what it does, it gives people such as myself on a limited budget something to aim for IF we feel the need for FI. Its weekend bolt-on give it gas and go power.

 

(Concerning JRSC) If it's legal, hard for Ford to void the warranty on, and spreads that 20 plus torque over a wide range, It it sounds pretty sweet to me. I'm not a racer, drag or other, but I love the feel of my daily driver SVTF, and am tempted by the enhancement of the JRSC.

BTW - Last I heard, torque was more like a 25 lb boost not 20, and if that kicks in really low in the RPM's,it seems to me it would be sweet for the daily commute stop/go kinda thing. My .02 again

MY ONE BIG QUESTION: Will this void my warranty automatically, or will I have a fighting chance when taking it in?

BTW, Kenne Bell emailed me back saying Sept. release date on theirs, and not even specifying the SVT, just Focus. FYI

FYI again, a $6000 turbo is not an option for me. I'm sure it's hella fun to drive though.

[ 03-12-2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: thinkingSVTF ]

 

Dave first off the SVT turbo kit with 9PSI came out of the shoots with 240HP and 230TQ at the wheels on PUMP gas thats a gain of 40+HP and 90+TQ more than the jrsc

It is now at 260HP and 250TQ at the wheels still on 93oct

belacryf we will soon have the tuning to where it can be sent out

Tired, it comes FULLY TUNED on our dynojet dyno after the install

TQ to me is more important than HP did you know that with the jrsc it cost you 130.00 PER Pound FT of TQ

Turbo cost you 64.00 thats less than 1/2 the cost

Dont buy my kit buy anyones just get a turbo instead of a supercharger is the point i am trying to make

Tom

 

Nothing against your kit Tom. I just want a daily driver SVTF that isn't outclassed by the Mustang GT, at a low cost. I love my car already. BTW, thanks for ignoring my response on my question for Tom Oops, now I may be sounding smart @ssed, but I just don't think a one size fits all solution is realistic. Some people like to carry a 9mm, others wouldn't settle for anything less than the .357 magnum, ya know?

Again - I say - if my SVTF were my second car, I were somewhat rich, and felt like turning my SVTF into the sleeper from hell, I'd sign on for your kit.

In that situation, it sounds f'n great. BTW, I hope you never challenge me to a race. That would suck for me.

Edit: Must I edit all my posts for punctuation that no one cares about. Ugh!

[ 03-12-2003, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: thinkingSVTF ]