it kind of is true what he said. what he meant was that in f1. they dont race the cars vs cars. as much as they do cars vs clock.

there is never exciting racing in f1. just speed and time. to me. its an over done time attack session.

 

it kind of is true what he said. what he meant was that in f1. they dont race the cars vs cars. as much as they do cars vs clock.

there is never exciting racing in f1. just speed and time. to me. its an over done time attack session.

That's just Road racing, that's not F1.

Road racing there isn't alot of passing, because there are passing areas. Where oval racing it's a constant passing opportunity.

But the DRIVING is very different, as control the car through heavy heavy braking, knowing the difference between mechanical grip and aero, passing when getting to close screws up your aero. It's no fluke that JPM was instantly successful on road courses in NASCAR. I'm not saying NASCAR doesn't have it's own technical requirements. But to say that F1 racing isn't all that great :lol:

Maybe it's not as enjoyable to watch for the red blooded meat eating americans, but among the global market it has no match.

 

it kind of is true what he said. what he meant was that in f1. they dont race the cars vs cars. as much as they do cars vs clock.

there is never exciting racing in f1. just speed and time. to me. its an over done time attack session.

About as impressive as watching a 150 MPH vintage spec car race at Lowe's Speedway this weekend?:dunno:

 

It seems as though there racing isn't all that great — they kind of get stuck in line and the aero takes over everything.

Pot calling the kettle black much?

Nascar: Sit in a line all day...

Nascar: Aero is everything, the whole thing is a big draft session

WTF?

People who say there's no passing in F1 clearly didn't watch the last race. Plus passing for the sake of passing is just stupid. I want to see someone make a pass because they earned it and outskilled the driver and car in front of them.

 

no passing in road racing? ever see nascar on a road track? its amazing and on your edge of your seat to watch. i love watching nascar on road racing.

they may be carbed. live axle race cars that date back to 1960's. but its still amazing to watch and i LOVE it. always will.

f1 is not all that great and i fall asleep watching it. (actually happened many times on speed channel)

 

Been to F1's in Monte Carlo, Hockenhiem, Monza.... SNOOOZZZZEEEEE

Been to Daytona, Atlanta, Charlotte, Rockingham, Talladega.....

Argue all you want about F1 drivers supported by mega-computers in 7 million dollar cars verses no tech $125,000 Nextel Cup cars..:screwy:

To me, it's which race will I pay to go see and the answer is all NASCAR.

 

Been to F1's in Monte Carlo, Hockenhiem, Monza.... SNOOOZZZZEEEEE

I practically fell asleep AT the only Nascar race I've ever been to... same with IRL oval race. So........

 

Pot calling the kettle black much?

Nascar: Sit in a line all day...

Nascar: Aero is everything, the whole thing is a big draft session

WTF?

People who say there's no passing in F1 clearly didn't watch the last race. Plus passing for the sake of passing is just stupid. I want to see someone make a pass because they earned it and outskilled the driver and car in front of them.

You must ONLY watch the SuperSpeedway NASCAR races like Daytona or Talladega.
:dunno:

 

yea. go watch a 1mile race at dover or NH. or short tracks like martinsville. nascar really does beat the crap outta their cars.

like i said. they may be old and outdated. BUT IT WORKS! they dont need CF bodys and computers to tell them when they are WOT. bish PLZ!

 

F1 is entertaining because of the raw ability of the cars. The speed that they are able to change direction is insane. They are also interesting because of the technology that powers them and all of the crazy areo bits they have. There has been some good F1 races lately but they also can become boring. Plus the coverage sucks because its not ran by speed, its an international feed.

Nascar on the other hand is fun to watch because they beat the crap out of those lumber wagons. There is more passing in nascar but, some of those cookie cutter 1.5 mile tracks are boring as hell. Road racing a cup car is entertaining for sure because hustling a 3400lbs car around on 4 10in tires for 200 miles with little grip is a form of crazy all by its self.

Back on topic now, if Rowdy actually gets to drive, i mean drive, not play in, a F1 car, the possibilities are insane. I an not a huge fan of Kyle Busch, but he can drive the hell out of a car and he is pretty fearless and until he cracks one up hard, he will be entertaining to watch.

 

yea. go watch a 1mile race at dover or NH. or short tracks like martinsville. nascar really does beat the crap outta their cars.

like i said. they may be old and outdated. BUT IT WORKS! they dont need CF bodys and computers to tell them when they are WOT. bish PLZ!

Dude no need to come right out and show your ignorance!

F1 is ABOUT technology.

NASCAR is supposed to be "stock car racing". Please explain to me what exactly is stock on todays cars in NASCAR? And you dont think NASCAR uses FULL telemetry to tune their cars? You dont think they use computers heavily in testing? Sure no telemetry while racing, but I absolutely guarantee you that during testing, there are computers everywhere.

If you're not into Tech, and not into road racing, then F1 has nothing for you. But to stick your head up your hind parts and act like F1 drivers are less than NASCAR drivers is insane! I hate NASCAR, but I would never say NASCAR drivers can't drive. I just do not like the racing. They dont deal with weight transfer under corning, braking, etc... They dont deal with passing while under braking, they pass because the track is 5 cars wide and their tires are better. Big freaking deal.

Yes there is skill to NASCAR but it doesn't offer anything I find interesting. If you feel that way about F1, that's fine.

F1 = Tech & Talent
NASCAR = Beer & Mullets

 

Both NASCAR and F1 suck, it is WRC or nothing!

 

Both NASCAR and F1 suck, it is WRC or nothing!

Those drivers have stones, MASSIVE Stones!!!

 

They dont deal with weight transfer under corning, braking, etc... They dont deal with passing while under braking, they pass because the track is 5 cars wide and their tires are better. Big freaking deal.



F1 = Tech & Talent
NASCAR = Beer & Mullets

WWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRONGGGGGGG! :lol: :lol:
They sure as heck deal with weight transfer ALL the time, they DO pass under braking at Over 2/3rds of the tracks, and Many tracks are only 2 or 3 lanes wide Max.
Watch some broadcast telemetry sometime at somewhere like Dover.
That's just One track for examples' sake, but when you have straightaway speeds that are 40-80 MPH faster than the corner speeds, trust me, there's a BUNCH of weight transfer and passing under braking. You Also have the transfer of weight to the right rear when getting off the corners. (On the Ovals).
I admit, there are SOME tracks, (and even the NASCAR fans in this thread have already said it) where the racing is more boring because it's on a wide, Cookie-Cutter 1.5 mile generic track.
If that is your idea of NASCAR, try watching more races across the season in order to catch some of the more interesting tracks.

BTW, you KNOW that I LOVE Road Racing and Sports Cars, so this post is NOT coming from the "NASCAR STEREOTYPE".

 

Micheal you can't for 1 second even compare the weight transfer and braking of F1 and NASCAR! Threshold braking does not exist on an oval, therefor the weight transfer isn't the same. Of course there is some weight transfer but you can't compare the two, not even close.

F1 has straightaway speeds that are 150mph faster than corner speed

My mullet & beer comment was a joke!

I'm not knocking NASCAR, I'm knocking people who are knocking F1

 

F1 = Tech & Talent
NASCAR = Beer & Mullets

F1 fans = Elitist snobs
NASCAR fans = racing fans

This is somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe this to be mostly true.

Motorsports are motorsports.
It seems that only the drivers participating in motorsport have the ability to understand this concept.... and a few of the fans.

I dont care if they race lawn-mowers, its fun to race.

 

Motorsports are motorsports.

Exactly.

Only a fool will not recognize that at the pinnacle of any type of racing series there are massive challenges for the drivers... they all take balls (although WRC pwnz all) and that there are insane technical hurdles for teams to clear in order to field a competitive car.

Those who argue strictly the merits of one particular top-drawer series over any other only demonstrate their lack of a genuine motor racing understanding...

Now, about Kyle Busch... what'd Little E say when asked about how Kyle wrecked him two races ago? "There's a long line of drivers that want to talk to Kyle Busch..."
:lol:

Perhaps Busch the Younger has an ounce or two more talent than rest of the top ten drivers in Cup... but there's a radical learning curve to get an F1 car up to speed ...(to within 107% of pole) not to mention another realm entirely of physical forces that the body must to learn to endure.

Perhaps in Fangio's day or even Gurney's a driver accomplished in one series but unpracticed in another could hop into the latter machine and kick ass. No more, I'm afraid. Technology has place much demand upon each particular discipline of the sport.

 

I love you Chris. :wub:

A TRUE fan of motorsport! :thumbup:

 

F1 fans = Elitist snobs
NASCAR fans = racing fans

This is somewhat tongue in cheek, but I do believe this to be mostly true.

Motorsports are motorsports.
It seems that only the drivers participating in motorsport have the ability to understand this concept.... and a few of the fans.

I dont care if they race lawn-mowers, its fun to race.

Dude I just said that my beer/mullet comment was joking (thus the emoticon), if you actually took the time to read the damned post you would see that I give NASCAR credit as well. Handling a car at that weight with relatively little rubber at that speed is impressive, no doubt!

I love alll "non-oval" racing. I just can't get into oval stuff. That is not to degrade it, it's just that I dont enjoy it.

But seriously.. F1 are snobs? I guess it's you're opinion that there is no money in NASCAR?

 

Micheal you can't for 1 second even compare the weight transfer and braking of F1 and NASCAR! Threshold braking does not exist on an oval, therefor the weight transfer isn't the same. Of course there is some weight transfer but you can't compare the two, not even close.

F1 has straightaway speeds that are 150mph faster than corner speed

My mullet & beer comment was a joke!

I'm not knocking NASCAR, I'm knocking people who are knocking F1

Here I thought you were making fun of my hair...
Really though, think about the weight and aero advantages of the F1 car vs the NASCAR vehicle. I'm pretty sure that threshold braking exists at Martinsville. I see them smoke the inside front frequently if they overdrive.
Of course they threshold brake at Infineon and Watkins Glen.
Yes, F1 has some slower corners, but very seldom is there any passing, because it's always 1 lane wide unless you want to go ramping over the rumblestrips.
I like F1, but just like NASCAR, I'd like BOTH of them better if they got rid of most of the aero and ran Hard tires.

 

Michael.. you're welcome to like whatever you want.. but as I said earlier.. F1 is SUPPOSED to be techincal, that's it's niche. It is about technology, and what's even better is our road cars benefit from their technology. NASCAR doesn't provide that, as it runs legacy stuff and doesn't push the technological envelope. Which is fine too.

Yes they threshold brake at Watkins and Infineon as those are road courses. I would watch NASCAR if they did all road courses

 

Bela... chill. I read your post.

My comment was not that F1 are snobs... F1 FANS are snobs... for the most part , there are exceptions (thats what the "tongue in cheek" part was about)

I honestly dont care what anybody thinks about me being a fan of NASCAR... but I am a fan of racing... not just NASCAR... that seems to be a typical difference. NASCAR fans tend to appreciate all forms of racing... I cant say the same thing about fans of F1... especially around FJ.

I dont think that NASCAR drivers are better than F1 drivers, but I sure as hell dont think it works the other way around either.

They are DIFFERENT forms of racing... it doesnt make one better than the other. One may be more or less appealing to the fans that follow them than the other, but that doesnt translate to more or less ability.

That is my point.

 

I would watch NASCAR if they did all road courses

Same with Indy/CART.

 

Yes they threshold brake at Watkins and Infineon as those are road courses. I would watch NASCAR if they did all road courses

Don't be silly. NASCAR on road courses is a demolition derby. Too many impatient drivers. I love watching NASCAR on ovals, but I'd much rather watch any other series on the road courses.

 

Don't be silly. NASCAR on road courses is a demolition derby. Too many impatient drivers. I love watching NASCAR on ovals, but I'd much rather watch any other series on the road courses.

I'm not sure what you've been watching, but this is a generally inaccurate statement.
I don't think that there are any more or less cautions or cars running at the finish.
Back to the Threshold Braking, don't forget the Green Flag Pit Stops. Zowie they get on the brakes HARD with all of that weight.